The Matrix Revolutions (2003)

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[zER]
Ekei kollane kai oi "akatalavistikes" atakes tou Smith sto sygkekrimeno shmeio: "..we already know that I'm the one that beats you... Wait. I've seen this. You were laying right there, like that, I... stand here, right here, I'm supposed to say something. I say... Everything that has a beginning has an end, Neo."

Logia ths Oracle, pou ypenthymizoun ston Neo ti prepei na kanei. Na "apo-isorrophsei" thn eksisosh. Etsi paradidetai kai o Neo ston Smith kai akolouthei h alysidoth antidrash pou katastrefei thn isorropia kalou-kakou kai mazi kai ton idio ton Smith (alla kai ton Neo).

Egw nomizw to antitheto. Oti h Oracle (pou o ios smith thn eixe katalavei) ta eipe ayta ta logia mesw tou Smith. O smith thn stigmh ekeinh ayto-epevalle ston eayto tou to telos. Giati kai aytos eixe mia arxh. Epeishs sto telos ths maxhs vlepoume thn Oracle lipothymh sto lakko opou vriskotan o Smith. Alla twra pou to skeftomai kai h dikh sou ekdoxh exei mia vash. Mperdema.



@Fixxxer: Pws ginetai o Neo na einai o gamias kai na pethianei sto telos? Emena se ayth th tainia mou thymise ton Xristo (pou polloi tous eixan syndesei hdh apo to prwto meros) pou thysiastike gia thn swthria ths anthrwpothtos. To sigouro einai oti o logos ths epityxias tou Matrix htan o allhgorikos xaraktiras tou. Me to na mhn ksekatharizoun ti akrivws einai o kathenas, to koino mporei na tous syndesei me opoion thelei.

[Deggial]

Συμφωνώ. Η Oracle κατάφερε να ελέγχει, ως ένα βαθμό, τον Smith. Αυτο-θυσιάστηκε και αυτή, όπως ο Neo.

[BLiTzER]

Vasika den einai katholou symvolika ta xapia (pisteyo). Sto 1o matrix ekshgei poly kala poia htan h drash tou kokkinou xapiou. De thymamai akrivos, alla tespa se olo to concept ta sygkekrimena xapia einai software pou exoun epidrash sto matrix.

Sto proto to phre o Neo apo ton Morpheus kai htan ayto pou ton "ksypnhse". Sto 2o de thymamai xapi, mono cookie (kai ayto software though). Kai sto 3o tou to prosferei h Oracle kapou pros to telos kai den to pairnei (h mhpos htan cookie ki ayto? mia fora to exo dei, dikaiologoumai ).

Symfono oti ta xei mperdepsei pantos. Den polykatalava kanena apo ta 2 erothmata tou. Kai epishs to oti mporouse na "aisthanthei tis mhxanes kai arxizei na vlepei programmata ston kosmo tou" den exei kamia sxesh me xapia ktl. An thes mporo na sto ekshghso ki ayto

[BLiTzER]

Egw nomizw to antitheto. Oti h Oracle (pou o ios smith thn eixe katalavei) ta eipe ayta ta logia mesw tou Smith. O smith thn stigmh ekeinh ayto-epevalle ston eayto tou to telos. Giati kai aytos eixe mia arxh. Epeishs sto telos ths maxhs vlepoume thn Oracle lipothymh sto lakko opou vriskotan o Smith. Alla twra pou to skeftomai kai h dikh sou ekdoxh exei mia vash. Mperdema.

Ehm.. oson afora to proto meros, ayto eipa ki ego. Oti h Oracle yperisxyse pros stigmhn tou Smith kai vghkan ayta ta logia, ta opoia ksypnhsan kata kapoion tropo ton Neo. Ostoso diafono sto oti aytokatastrafhke. Pos ekshgeitai o thanatos tou Neo tote? Apo to poly ksylo? Mallon den yphrxe allos tropos na pethanei kapoios apo tous 2, ektos apo ayto pou eipa. Tespa... kaneis den kserei.. aples ypotheseis kanoume

[Faithless Spirit]

xm h oracle sto telos den deixnei na pethenei.. afou exei mia teleftaia shzhthsh me ton architect..

sthn deuterh tainia h oracle tou prosferei mia karamela sthn skhnhs to pagaki prin skasoun oi smiths, kai troei kai auth mia opws kai sto 3

twra gia to rotk an kai komataki asxeto alla o aragorn to spathi sto vivlio to eixe sto sumvoulio tou elrond opou kai to parousiase, den "egine" vasilias tote apla angnwristhke ws dikaiomatikos katoxos tou thronou opws egine kai sthn tainia dld..

[BLiTzER]

Nai ontos, tora thymithika to "candy" ths Oracle apo to 2. Kai sto 3 to idio leei? De thymamai. Tespa opos kai na xei (pill/cookie/candy/whatever) einai ena eidos software (kati san patch). Toulaxiston ego ayto exo katalavei.

Oso gia to LOTR, opoios phgainei na dei to vivlio (ta vivlia even) sth megalh othonh einai mallon afelhs. Einai mia tainia vasismenh sta vivlia kai that's all. Mhn perimenete akrivh metafora, eidika efoson prokeitai gia toso megalh paragogh. Ego prosopika tha protimousa na ksefeyge akoma perissotero apo ta vivlia. Ksenerosa th zoh mou sth skhnh me ta Entz (h opos grafontai) sto 2. Ase pou o Tolkien me ekneyrizei genikotera

[rincewind2k]

tolkien is gay

to xapi einai mallon asxeto, ayto pou psaxnete einai to cookie pou trwei o neo *kai* sto prwto matrix, bgainontas apo to diamerisma ths oracle. ("once you're done eating that you'll feel right as rain" or sth)

Mou perase kai apo to myalo oti o Neo ginetai "update" (se "the one" ektos matrix) otan erxetai se epafh me ton Smith sto burly brawl. leei "it felt like I was back in that hall, it felt like dying = otan "anasththike" ws "the one" sto telos tou 1, alla it's a long shot. mallon tha meinw sth thewria twn mpiskotwn

a sto telos, o smith, nai men kserei ti ginetai mexri ekeino to shmeio, oti nikaei, alla den mporei na kserei ti ginetai meta giati den mporei na katalabei thn epilogh tou Neo na synexizei na polema/antisteketai (can't see past the choice he can't understand)

[BLiTzER]

Agreed se ola.. you got the point.

Oso gia tis dynameis tou Neo ektos Matrix sto Reloaded: Thymaste pou tou dinei ena koutali o typakos (aytos o prhxths pou de thymamai to onoma tou)? Einai lygismeno.. opos kai sto 1o Matrix otan episkeptetai thn Oracle gia proth fora kai synantaei to paidaki pou lygizei koutalia. "You have to realize the truth... there is no spoon".

Mono pou edo eimaste ektos Matrix. Etsi syneidhtopoiei oti kati paizei kai ektos Matrix kai prospathei na stamathsei tis mhxanes. Mono pou sto real world eksantleitai kanontas tarzanilikia.

[Kveldssanger]

Dyo mikres parathrhseis ligo asxetes me to senario tis tainias, gyro apo to opoio peristrefetai h syzitisi...

1on H skini pou o Neo kai h Trinity kateythynontai pros tin Machine City, de thymizei tis ptiseis sto Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within?
2on H teliki monomaxia me to Smith den moiazei sa na einai vgalmeni apo epeisodeio tou Dragonball Z?

[Faithless Spirit]

emena h teleutaia maxh mou thimise psychic force (paixnidi tou ps 1)

sto duo den thimame na trwei kanena koulouraki... kai sto prwto den fanhke na ton epirazei kai idiaitera.. tespa

telika ti egine pisteuetai oti psofise o neo h mpa? ego den eida na to leei pouthena ksekathara.. vevaia mou leipei akoma mia protash apo to puzzle tou telous alla den nomizo na einai kai toso zwtikhs shmasias..

xm auto me to koutali den nomizw na exei kamia idiaiterh sxesh emena apla mou edose thn enthposh oti apla thimise ston neo to paidaki, oxi oti tou dinei kanena clue gia ton kosmo.. ase pou apo oti thimame to koutali htan olo kapws periergo.. san na to eixan sfurilathsh

a kai kati psiloasxeto.. thimate kaneis an dinei kanena clue pouthena gia to pou vriskoun trofh osoi zoun sthn zyon? oxi oti exei kai kamia idiaiterh shmasia...

[BLiTzER]

Nai einai san sfyrilathmeno ontos, epeidh htan lygismeno noritera Toulaxiston ego ayto exo katalavei.

To pou vriskoun fai einai eykolo. Apo ta ptomata oson pethainoun

[Elfstone]

Apta ptwmata trefontai osoi einai syndemenoi sto Matrix (fantazomai oxi apokleistika giati apokleietai na ftanoun gia trofh!). Osoi zoun sthn Zion mallon trwne kati synthetikes trofes (pou moiazei me ena mpol myksas! thymaste to prwto Matrix?).

[FIXXXER]

[zER]

1. Pos eixe pagideutei o Neo metaxy tou matrix kai tou real world?
2. Pos pethane o Smith?
3. Giati den edeixe kolo kai vuzia i Monica?

1.

Tora pou to skeftomai oute ego to exo polykatalavei. H ousia einai oti yparxoun 3 kosmoi: real world, matrix world kai o endiamesos, o opoios elegxetai apo ton Merovingian kai ton roufiano tou ton Trainman.

Ston proto katoikoun oi anthropoi kai oi mhxanes. O 2os einai fantastikos pou proypothetei kapoion "linked" apo ton real world, eno ston teleytaio katoikoun ta programmata (ola ayta apoteloun prosopikh mou ektimhsh).

O Neo katafere na pagideytei ston endiameso kosmo, mallon prospathontas (isos den prospathise, apla etyxe) na eisxorhsei sto matrix xoris to aparaithto link. Sto ergo leei oti oi leitourgies tou einai opos kapoiou pou einai mesa sto matrix, mono pou den einai syndedemenos.

2.

H Oracle leei ston Neo oti eno o Architect eksisorropei thn eksisosh, ekeinh thn "apo-isorropei". Epishs leei oti prepei kai ekeinh na parei thn apofash ths, opos kai o Neo. H apofash ths einai telika na paradothei ston Smith kai ekeinos thn katalamvanei.


Sth maxh Smith-Neo, o protos vlepei mesa apo ta matia ths Oracle thn "katalhksh" ths maxhs. Einai se eisagogika, giati de mporei na dei the very end of it, kathos eksartatai apo thn epilogh tou Neo (thymitheite prohgoumena logia ths Oracle peri epiloghs).

Ekei kollane kai oi "akatalavistikes" atakes tou Smith sto sygkekrimeno shmeio: "..we already know that I'm the one that beats you... Wait. I've seen this. You were laying right there, like that, I... stand here, right here, I'm supposed to say something. I say... Everything that has a beginning has an end, Neo."

Logia ths Oracle, pou ypenthymizoun ston Neo ti prepei na kanei. Na "apo-isorrophsei" thn eksisosh. Etsi paradidetai kai o Neo ston Smith kai akolouthei h alysidoth antidrash pou katastrefei thn isorropia kalou-kakou kai mazi kai ton idio ton Smith (alla kai ton Neo).

Euxaristo re Blitzer pou egrapses kommatia apo tin tainia, tin opoia sou thumizo oti exo dei ki ego. Otan rotiso pos pethane o Smith, profanos ithela na matho pos akrivos pethane. Diladi, itan sundedemenos me tin Pigi kai afise ton virus Smith na prosvallei to programma tou kai meta i Source skotose kai tous duo? San antivirus as poume? Mallon apo ti katalava exoun valei isxuro software ston Neo Anderson (os anthropo) sto kefali tou ki autos borei na gamaei kolous ktl mono oson afora tis mixanes. Parolo pou ta eixe gamisei ola, de borouse na sosei tin Trinity ektos Matrix. Ara kati paizei me tis mixanes. Mipos einai ki o idios kati san mixani??? Ti dialo, thelo sunenteuxi apo tous Wachofski, pou boro na vro gamoto. Episis, de mou apantises giati den edeixe kolo kai vuzia i Monica.

[FIXXXER]

Ithela na po kati gia tous cult theous pleon Merovingian kai Smith... POSO gamane auta ta atoma?

Why, Mr Anderson? WHY? WHY? Is it love, is it freedom, WHAT IS IT MR ANDERSON that makes you want to continue fight??

[Kveldssanger]

Episis, de mou apantises giati den edeixe kolo kai vuzia i Monica.

Hthele mia allagi apo tous synitheis rolous tis...