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    1.Pistepse to.
    vlepe to proigoumeno post mou gia tin periptosi pou ontos isxiei.


    2.Den eimai oikonomologos gia na krinw thn oikonomia.Alla den 8elei na bgaleis kanena panepistimio gia na sumpairaneis oti plhrwnoume tis malakies tou pasok.
    Fisika kai xriazetai. Ti nomizeis oti einai i oikonomia? Podosfero i mousiki oste na eisai aftodidaktos oikonomologos kai na vgazeis simperasmata pano se ena thema pou apaitei apistefti analisi?

    I oikonomiki diakivernisi tou pasok itan KALI. Afto den to leo mono ego (pou den eimai kan pasokos, vlepe to antistixo antipasokiko mou flame) alla apotelei apopsi tou oikonomikou epimelitiriou (tis neodimokratikis pterigas included, off the record vevaia) kathos kai tis europaikis epitropis. Episis oi arithmoi lene to idio.

    Tora an esy nomizeis oti ksereis kalitera apo tous parapano, magia sou, opos episis kai magia sou tin epomeni fora pou tha pas ston odontiatro na tou peis "e giatre, troxise ligo apo edo, mporei na min exo vgalei panepistimio alla ksero pou prepei na troxiseis".

    3.Den apomonosa 2-3 peristatika.SE olous tous gnwstous mou pou kanane elegxous , eite apo KEΠ , eite klimakia kabalas eite 8essalonikhs.EGINA PANTOU ta idia.Opote den bgazw sumperasmata au8ereta.Mono mia periptwsh arnh8hke na mpei se authn thn diadikasia.
    Ean to pisteue kai h neodhmokratikh pteruga den 8a katargousan tous elegxous.
    I neodimokratiki pteryga to pistevei, mi me valeis na sou skanaro arthro tou Giziaki (neodimokratis sindikalistis tou oikonomikou epilitiriou) apo to periodiko tou epimelitiriou. Oi elegxoi stamatisan logo ilithias proeklogikis desmefsis tis neas dimokratias prosorina. Den antilego oti iparxei diafthora sto dimosio tomea, alla afti iparxei KAI APO TA DYO KOMMATA.


    Katwrime auta pou grafw den ta diabazw se xartia oute mou ta leei kanenas ta zw ka8hmerina mias kai sunalasomai me para polu kosmo kai mhn bgazeis ton ka8ena asxeto.Sun paren8esh upel8imizw oti eimai politoka ane3arthtos.
    Oraia. Afou thes oikonomiki sizitisi, anafere mou sigekrimena me poious tropous pisteveis oti to pasok ekane kako stin oikonomia.
    Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.
    J. M. Keynes.

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    Eleos,ti perimenane dld oi neodhmokrates oti 8a dinan perisotera apo to pasok????Anyway aftoi pou lene oti den exei lefta h ellada einai toulaxiston hlithioi giati den mporei na mhn exoume xrhmata gia tous agrotes kai na exoume lefta gia oikonomikh sthri3oi stratiwtikwn giatrwn sto Iraq ELEOS PIA,Oso gia to pasok pou edine 30 euro ka8e xrono stous agrotes 8a ta dine kai fetos se anti8esh me tou malakes ths ND pou edwse 12 euro kata meso oro stous synta3iouxous af3hseis dld ths ta3eos tou 2,5%,koroidia dld,ZWA NEODHMOKRATES 3ANAPSHFISTE TOUS MALAKES SAS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Μπελάς
    Eleos,ti perimenane dld oi neodhmokrates oti 8a dinan perisotera apo to pasok????Anyway aftoi pou lene oti den exei lefta h ellada einai toulaxiston hlithioi giati den mporei na mhn exoume xrhmata gia tous agrotes kai na exoume lefta gia oikonomikh sthri3oi stratiwtikwn giatrwn sto Iraq ELEOS PIA,Oso gia to pasok pou edine 30 euro ka8e xrono stous agrotes 8a ta dine kai fetos se anti8esh me tou malakes ths ND pou edwse 12 euro kata meso oro stous synta3iouxous af3hseis dld ths ta3eos tou 2,5%,koroidia dld,ZWA NEODHMOKRATES 3ANAPSHFISTE TOUS MALAKES SAS
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    1. Eprepe na to exw upopsin mou... oti einai ths kladikhs kai 8a mou zhtouse tautothta kai eprepe na exw kasaetofwnaki.....ti les re katwrime???? Ma pws skeftesai etsi? Re auth 8a anhge to karne ths meta kai 8a mou ekane thn zwh duskolh.3ereis na mou steilei tipota suntrofous tou sdoe/ika ktl ktl alla den exeis er8ei se kontra pote me to dhmosio giati "eixes" ta mesa kai den gnwrizeis pws einai na eise rigmenos giati eisoun to "diko tous paidi"
    2.Koita , 3erw giati ta biwnw ka8hmerina kai mporw na kanw sugkriseis emprakta kai oxi na diabazw analuseis kai meletes.Otan 8a bgeis sthn eleu8erh agora mporei na parathrhseis polu megales apokliseis ths pragmatikothtas apo auta pou grafoun meletes kai na exeis meta diaforetikes apopseis.
    3.Ma den diafwnw sto gegonos oti to sdoe einai megali phgh esodwn.Alla sto 8ema ths diaf8oras.Den me noiazei gia to poios einai pio diaf8armenos alla gia to sdoe.To gegonos oti kai ta duo kommata einai diaf8armena den shmainei oti to pasok den mporouse(alla den h8ele) na krathsei adaif8oro to sdoe mias kai to 99% twn upallhlwn sta klimakia auta htan tou pasok.Kai h ND to diekopse gia auton ton logo.Katwrime , etuxe na eimai parwn se enan elegxo enos klimakiou mias atomikhs epixeirhshs me tzirous 3-4 ekat euro / year.Na eblepes pws kanane....8a eixes skisei ta ptuxia sou kai 8a eixes kapsei thn tautothta sou.(nai htan tou pasok)(kai auto mia apo tis ekatontades periptwseis)


    (gia na ma8ainw kai egw)
    Oi epiptwseis(eite 8etikes , eite arnhtikes) se mia oikonomia sta8erh den ofeilontai se makropro8esmes apofaseis?

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    1. Eprepe na to exw upopsin mou... oti einai ths kladikhs kai 8a mou zhtouse tautothta kai eprepe na exw kasaetofwnaki.....ti les re katwrime???? Ma pws skeftesai etsi? Re auth 8a anhge to karne ths meta kai 8a mou ekane thn zwh duskolh.3ereis na mou steilei tipota suntrofous tou sdoe/ika ktl ktl alla den exeis er8ei se kontra pote me to dhmosio giati "eixes" ta mesa kai den gnwrizeis pws einai na eise rigmenos giati eisoun to "diko tous paidi"
    To peristatiko einai toso travigmeno pou an mporouses na to apodikseis akoma kai oi idioi oi pasokoi tha se voithousane. Arkei fisika na apefthinosoun se normal pasokous kai oxi se kommatoskila.


    2.Koita , 3erw giati ta biwnw ka8hmerina kai mporw na kanw sugkriseis emprakta kai oxi na diabazw analuseis kai meletes.Otan 8a bgeis sthn eleu8erh agora mporei na parathrhseis polu megales apokliseis ths pragmatikothtas apo auta pou grafoun meletes kai na exeis meta diaforetikes apopseis.
    Exo amesi epafi me tin agora meso tou farmakeiou tis manas mou sto opoio kano tis perissoteres logistikes duleies opote afto pou les einai psiloakiro. Aloste afta pou sou anafero den einai mono dikes mou apopseis.

    3.Ma den diafwnw sto gegonos oti to sdoe einai megali phgh esodwn.Alla sto 8ema ths diaf8oras.Den me noiazei gia to poios einai pio diaf8armenos alla gia to sdoe.To gegonos oti kai ta duo kommata einai diaf8armena den shmainei oti to pasok den mporouse(alla den h8ele) na krathsei adaif8oro to sdoe mias kai to 99% twn upallhlwn sta klimakia auta htan tou pasok.Kai h ND to diekopse gia auton ton logo.Katwrime , etuxe na eimai parwn se enan elegxo enos klimakiou mias atomikhs epixeirhshs me tzirous 3-4 ekat euro / year.Na eblepes pws kanane....8a eixes skisei ta ptuxia sou kai 8a eixes kapsei thn tautothta sou.(nai htan tou pasok)(kai auto mia apo tis ekatontades periptwseis)
    To sdoe, opos oles oi dimosies ipiresies exoun kapious dieftharmenous. Apo kei kai pera, den ksereis ti paizei akrivos. Merikoi tou sdoe einai ontos san aftous pou anafereis, diladi exoun simperifora mpatsou. Oi perissoteroi omos einai entimoi kai pragmatika i diafthora ston tomea, opos oi diorismoi einai apo tous ligotero provlimatikous tomeis tou dimosiou.


    (gia na ma8ainw kai egw)
    Oi epiptwseis(eite 8etikes , eite arnhtikes) se mia oikonomia sta8erh den ofeilontai se makropro8esmes apofaseis ?
    Nai alla:
    1. Oi makroprothesmes epiptoseis den isxioun mono fetos. An to pasok eixe kaki oikonomiki politiki, ta simptomata tha fenontan to argotero ena etos meta. Opote to gegonos oti epi 8 xronia i oikonomia pigaine kala, malon to antitheto leei, afou an px ginontousan lathi to 2001, tha ta eixame zisei to argotero os to 2003.

    2. O alogoskoufis se sxesi me to oikonomiko epiteleio tou pasok den exei epafi metin pragmatikotita. San kathigitis stin asoe einai malon metrios, alla akoma kai kalos na itan, af enos to epiteleio tou einai asteio, af eterou o prothipourgos den skampazei kai pola apo oikonomia kai edo einai kai i terastia diafora me to pasok opou tin oikonomiki politiki tin eftiaxne apo koinou o simitis, mazi me ton ipourgo ethnikis oikonomias kai tin trapeza tis ellados. Ola afta me kanoun na koufainomai otan ton akouo na katigorei to pasok giati einai san na akous ton anatolaki na fonazei ston tsarta epidi tou efige to control :/

    3. I nea dimokratia, se OLA ta strava tis oikonomias ta rixnei sto pasok. Akoma kai se synepeies apofaseon pou parthikan epi ton imeron tis!!! Fisika o aplos politis den mporei na gnorizei toso eksidikevmena themata, opote osoi THELOUN na psithoun me to paramithi "gia ola ftaiei to pasok" to kanoun aneta. Afto pou me anisixei, einai oti tetoia atoma peftoun thima parapliroforisis, alla se teliki analisi nomizo oti afto tha apovei se varos tis neas dimokratias, fantasou diladi na exoun klisei tetraetia kai otan tin proeklogiki periodo tous rotane giati siriknothikan ta eisodimata na lene "giati ftaiei to pasok".
    Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.
    J. M. Keynes.

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    To peristatiko einai toso travigmeno pou an mporouses na to apodikseis akoma kai oi idioi oi pasokoi tha se voithousane. Arkei fisika na apefthinosoun se normal pasokous kai oxi se kommatoskila.
    exeis thn entupwsei oti den to suzhthsa me pasokous?(kai dunatous oxi mlks)Alla den thn apomakrunan , opote , to ekane h nd otan bghke kai emene kai h retsinia sto pasok.

    Exo amesi epafi me tin agora meso tou farmakeiou tis manas mou sto opoio kano tis perissoteres logistikes duleies opote afto pou les einai psiloakiro. Aloste afta pou sou anafero den einai mono dikes mou apopseis.
    to farmakeio den prokeite na stamathseis na poulaei pote.einai dunaton o kosmos na kanei oikonomia sta farmaka? gia des allou tupou eleu8era epaggelmata pou den prosferoun prwths anagkhs proionta h' yphresies.
    Gia des se alla epaggelmata.

    Oi makroprothesmes epiptoseis den isxioun mono fetos. An to pasok eixe kaki oikonomiki politiki, ta simptomata tha fenontan to argotero ena etos meta. Opote to gegonos oti epi 8 xronia i oikonomia pigaine kala, malon to antitheto leei, afou an px ginontousan lathi to 2001, tha ta eixame zisei to argotero os to 2003.
    ma poios eipe oti h oikonomia epi pasok htan mia xara?mh mou peis gia meletes kai xartia plz.(eidika apo to 2000 kai meta pame kata diaolou, eidika perifereia)
    kai epipleon zoume tis epiptwseis , apofasewn enos xronou prin?

    O alogoskoufis se sxesi me to oikonomiko epiteleio tou pasok den exei epafi metin pragmatikotita. San kathigitis stin asoe einai malon metrios, alla akoma kai kalos na itan, af enos to epiteleio tou einai asteio, af eterou o prothipourgos den skampazei kai pola apo oikonomia kai edo einai kai i terastia diafora me to pasok opou tin oikonomiki politiki tin eftiaxne apo koinou o simitis, mazi me ton ipourgo ethnikis oikonomias kai tin trapeza tis ellados. Ola afta me kanoun na koufainomai otan ton akouo na katigorei to pasok giati einai san na akous ton anatolaki na fonazei ston tsarta epidi tou efige to control :
    as teleiwsei h tetraetia kai meta mporw na krinw.nomizw pws einai pollu nwris gia na krinoume akoma.

    nea dimokratia, se OLA ta strava tis oikonomias ta rixnei sto pasok. Akoma kai se synepeies apofaseon pou parthikan epi ton imeron tis!!! Fisika o aplos politis den mporei na gnorizei toso eksidikevmena themata, opote osoi THELOUN na psithoun me to paramithi "gia ola ftaiei to pasok" to kanoun aneta. Afto pou me anisixei, einai oti tetoia atoma peftoun thima parapliroforisis, alla se teliki analisi nomizo oti afto tha apovei se varos tis neas dimokratias, fantasou diladi na exoun klisei tetraetia kai otan tin proeklogiki periodo tous rotane giati siriknothikan ta eisodimata na lene "giati ftaiei to pasok".
    xwris polla polla , eilikrina den 8a eimastan kata polu kalutera shmera ean den uphrxe kako diaxeirhsh tou dhmosiou xrhmatos(arpaxtes,mize klt klt) tis meres tou pasok ?
    giati egw nomizw pws 8a eimastan

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    to farmakeio den prokeite na stamathseis na poulaei pote.einai dunaton o kosmos na kanei oikonomia sta farmaka? gia des allou tupou eleu8era epaggelmata pou den prosferoun prwths anagkhs proionta h' yphresies.
    Gia des se alla epaggelmata.
    Em, eisai psiloakiros. To simantikotero poso tou tzirou tou farmakeiou apoteloun proionta pou DEN einai farmaka, opos odontovourtses, sampouan, kapotes kai alla tetoia pramata. Episis otan leo oti exo amesi epafi, enoo oti otan allazei kapia nomothesia, to mathaino kai katalavaino amesos ti epiptoseis mporei na exei se oles tis epixeiriseis.



    ma poios eipe oti h oikonomia epi pasok htan mia xara?mh mou peis gia meletes kai xartia plz.(eidika apo to 2000 kai meta pame kata diaolou, eidika perifereia)
    kai epipleon zoume tis epiptwseis , apofasewn enos xronou prin?
    To "enas xronos" einai entelos endiktiko. Iparxoun apofaseis pou epireazoun AURIO, iparxoun apofaseis pou epireazoun se ena xrono kai iparxoun apofaseis pou epireazoun se 10. Ama vgaleis xontrika enan meso oro pantos, tha simpairaneis oti tin politiki tin niotheis peripou ena xrono meta.

    Oson afora to "mia xara" profanos den enoousa oti ola pane roloi, enoo oti to pasok eftiakse to 80% apo osa tha mporouse na ftiaksei, pou einai mia "mia xara" epidosi.



    as teleiwsei h tetraetia kai meta mporw na krinw.nomizw pws einai pollu nwris gia na krinoume akoma.
    logiko afto

    xwris polla polla , eilikrina den 8a eimastan kata polu kalutera shmera ean den uphrxe kako diaxeirhsh tou dhmosiou xrhmatos(arpaxtes,mize klt klt) tis meres tou pasok ?
    giati egw nomizw pws 8a eimastan
    Safos, alla gia auto den efthinetai mono to pasok, efthinetai AKRIVOS TO IDIO kai i ND, i opoia tora pou vgike kanei AKRIVOS TA IDIA. Ama evgaine i ND kai evaze telos sti diafthora tha tin xeirokrotousame oloi.

    Afto omos den einai thema tis oikonomikis politikis. Einai poly genikotero. Ego sigrino to pasok kai ti ND mono se epipedo oikonomias
    Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.
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    Em, eisai psiloakiros. To simantikotero poso tou tzirou tou farmakeiou apoteloun proionta pou DEN einai farmaka, opos odontovourtses, sampouan, kapotes kai alla tetoia pramata. Episis otan leo oti exo amesi epafi, enoo oti otan allazei kapia nomothesia, to mathaino kai katalavaino amesos ti epiptoseis mporei na exei se oles tis epixeiriseis.
    ase me na exw kaluterh eikona ths agoras.

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    Safos, alla gia auto den efthinetai mono to pasok, efthinetai AKRIVOS TO IDIO kai i ND, i opoia tora pou vgike kanei AKRIVOS TA IDIA. Ama evgaine i ND kai evaze telos sti diafthora tha tin xeirokrotousame oloi.
    mia diaf8ora pou egkatesthse to pasok?den nomizw na einai polu eukolo.

    Oi nd pou eu8unetai gia tis atas8aleies epi pasok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theCharon
    Em, eisai psiloakiros. To simantikotero poso tou tzirou tou farmakeiou apoteloun proionta pou DEN einai farmaka, opos odontovourtses, sampouan, kapotes kai alla tetoia pramata. Episis otan leo oti exo amesi epafi, enoo oti otan allazei kapia nomothesia, to mathaino kai katalavaino amesos ti epiptoseis mporei na exei se oles tis epixeiriseis.
    ase me na exw kaluterh eikona ths agoras.
    Apo periergeia, apo pou exeis apoktisei eikona tis agoras?
    [quote:2mu6egkh][quote:2mu6egkh]Safos, alla gia auto den efthinetai mono to pasok, efthinetai AKRIVOS TO IDIO kai i ND, i opoia tora pou vgike kanei AKRIVOS TA IDIA. Ama evgaine i ND kai evaze telos sti diafthora tha tin xeirokrotousame oloi.
    mia diaf8ora pou egkatesthse to pasok?den nomizw na einai polu eukolo.

    Oi nd pou eu8unetai gia tis atas8aleies epi pasok?[/quote:2mu6egkh][/quote:2mu6egkh][/quote]Tin diafthora den tin egathidrise to pasok. Ipirxe apo poly noritera. Des kamia sxetiki elliniki tainia. Profanos i ND DEN efthinetai gia tis atasthaleies tou pasok, alla otan katigorei to pasok gia diafthora kai molis vgainei kyvernisei kanei akrivos ta idia, dikaioumai ki ego na theoriso ti stasi tis ipokritiki.
    Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.
    J. M. Keynes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katwrimos
    Tin diafthora den tin egathidrise to pasok. Ipirxe apo poly noritera. Des kamia sxetiki elliniki tainia. Profanos i ND DEN efthinetai gia tis atasthaleies tou pasok, alla otan katigorei to pasok gia diafthora kai molis vgainei kyvernisei kanei akrivos ta idia, dikaioumai ki ego na theoriso ti stasi tis ipokritiki.
    Σ'αυτό ο katwrimos έχει σίγουρα δίκιο. Είναι δυστυχώς μια νοοτροπία που ακολουθείται σε όλη τη σύγχρονη ιστορία της Ελλάδας τους δυο τελευταίους αιώνες. Είναι γνωστά τα προβλήματα όλου του πρώτου μισού 20ου αιώνα με τον υπερβολικό αριθμό αργόμισθων στο Δημόσιο και τις καταστάσεις που οδήγησαν σε αυτό.

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    Apo periergeia, apo pou exeis apoktisei eikona tis agoras?
    apo thn douleia mou , diaxeirizomai mia etaireia akinithtwn kefalaiou 3-4 muria euro.mikrh men alla sigoura exw mia polu kalu eikona.

    ta alla peri diaf8oras , next time giati arghsa na paw douleia

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    oi neodhmokrates an exeresoume kana 2 MOKO..
    to apolitic einai cool?
    giati mpampa pshfisame ND?

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    to apolitic einai cool?
    exw thn enupwsh oti den einai aparaiithto na einai kapoios komatopoihmenos.oute na ekdhlwnetai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theCharon
    to apolitic einai cool?
    exw thn enupwsh oti den einai aparaiithto na einai kapoios komatopoihmenos.oute na ekdhlwnetai.
    genika oi dexioi .. kruvontai to exw dei kai se alla threads.. sto ti tha pshfisete stis ekloges poll htan prwth h nd kai kaneis den eixe vgei na pei oti pshfizei nd se antithesh me tous pasokous klp
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    Yesterday 19:29 <menumission> de mporeis na kaneis ignore ton eauto sou sto tsat molis to dokimasa

    στο θεωρητικό παρκούρ δίνω οστά και σάρκα,απο εμπόδιο σ΄ εμπόδιο πετάγομαι για πλάκα Άκου τον Φόρη and don't worry

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    to na psifiseis nd se kanei to idio de3io me to na psifiseis pasok.

    afou kai ta dio ta idia skata einai.

    edit: kai nai psifisa nd tis teleutaies ekloges , alla stis prohgoumenes .....

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