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    Quote Originally Posted by theCharon
    Basika den diafwnw me thn oikonomikh politikh OSON afora tis au3hseis twn dhmosiwn upallhlwn.Giati para egine to kako me tous dhmosious upallhlous.

    Ma kai fusika, den einai malakes oi tis ND na poune proeklogika oti oi dhmosioi upalljloi den 8a exoun au3hseis , afou eimaste mia xwra dhmosiwn upallhlwn.

    Egw proswpika apo tous upshlomis8ous pou pernoun kati muria ka8e mhna oxi aplws au3hsh den 8a edina , alla kai meiwsh 8a epeballa.

    H genikoterh oikonomikh politikh htan anamenomenh mias kai ola ta tameia htan KURIOLEKTIKA ADEIA.Akoma epi pasok ta tameia sunoxhs kai perifereias htan oxi aplws adeia alla xrwstousan kiolas.Na fantasteite oi PASOKOI htan olo prototupies : Pernane lefta apo epidotoumena programata kai ta baftizane dhmosiou gia na kanoun thn douleia tous afou ta pragmatka kefalaia ta "FAGANE" se maimou programmata.Se polla dikasthria pezoun tetoies upo8eseis , allla .... dusthxws den uparxoun kurwseis se kanenan.

    Kai aftoi pou den prepei na einai olo apories gia thn oikonomikh politikh einai oi pasokoi.Giati 3eroun kala ti skata exoun kanei pantou.Ginomai ligo wmos alla etsi einai.Twra o laos plhrwnei tis mizes , tis arpaxtes pou ginane pane sto dhmosio xrhma.

    Oson afora gia anaptu3h: Na milhsoume gia tis BI.ΠΕ ? 3erei kaneis ti einai ? Ekei na deite ti ginotan....Me tsantes fouskomenes kukloforousan ta korakia apo ta upourgeia anaptu3hs.Moirazane ta programmata se tuxodiwktes , xwris desmeuseis.Me apotelesma na yparxoun nekrotafia apo BI.PE se olhn thn ellada kai egklhmaties ergodotes opws p.x lanaras.
    profanws oi goneis sou den einai dhmosioi upallhloi..
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    Quote Originally Posted by freak brother
    Quote Originally Posted by theCharon
    Basika den diafwnw me thn oikonomikh politikh OSON afora tis au3hseis twn dhmosiwn upallhlwn.Giati para egine to kako me tous dhmosious upallhlous.

    Ma kai fusika, den einai malakes oi tis ND na poune proeklogika oti oi dhmosioi upalljloi den 8a exoun au3hseis , afou eimaste mia xwra dhmosiwn upallhlwn.

    Egw proswpika apo tous upshlomis8ous pou pernoun kati muria ka8e mhna oxi aplws au3hsh den 8a edina , alla kai meiwsh 8a epeballa.

    H genikoterh oikonomikh politikh htan anamenomenh mias kai ola ta tameia htan KURIOLEKTIKA ADEIA.Akoma epi pasok ta tameia sunoxhs kai perifereias htan oxi aplws adeia alla xrwstousan kiolas.Na fantasteite oi PASOKOI htan olo prototupies : Pernane lefta apo epidotoumena programata kai ta baftizane dhmosiou gia na kanoun thn douleia tous afou ta pragmatka kefalaia ta "FAGANE" se maimou programmata.Se polla dikasthria pezoun tetoies upo8eseis , allla .... dusthxws den uparxoun kurwseis se kanenan.

    Kai aftoi pou den prepei na einai olo apories gia thn oikonomikh politikh einai oi pasokoi.Giati 3eroun kala ti skata exoun kanei pantou.Ginomai ligo wmos alla etsi einai.Twra o laos plhrwnei tis mizes , tis arpaxtes pou ginane pane sto dhmosio xrhma.

    Oson afora gia anaptu3h: Na milhsoume gia tis BI.ΠΕ ? 3erei kaneis ti einai ? Ekei na deite ti ginotan....Me tsantes fouskomenes kukloforousan ta korakia apo ta upourgeia anaptu3hs.Moirazane ta programmata se tuxodiwktes , xwris desmeuseis.Me apotelesma na yparxoun nekrotafia apo BI.PE se olhn thn ellada kai egklhmaties ergodotes opws p.x lanaras.
    profanws oi goneis sou den einai dhmosioi upallhloi..
    einai oi dikoi sou ? Mhpws einai kai upsilomis8oi ?

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    Basika den diafwnw me thn oikonomikh politikh OSON afora tis au3hseis twn dhmosiwn upallhlwn.Giati para egine to kako me tous dhmosious upallhlous.

    Ma kai fusika, den einai malakes oi tis ND na poune proeklogika oti oi dhmosioi upalljloi den 8a exoun au3hseis , afou eimaste mia xwra dhmosiwn upallhlwn.

    Egw proswpika apo tous upshlomis8ous pou pernoun kati muria ka8e mhna oxi aplws au3hsh den 8a edina , alla kai meiwsh 8a epeballa.

    H genikoterh oikonomikh politikh htan anamenomenh mias kai ola ta tameia htan KURIOLEKTIKA ADEIA.Akoma epi pasok ta tameia sunoxhs kai perifereias htan oxi aplws adeia alla xrwstousan kiolas.Na fantasteite oi PASOKOI htan olo prototupies : Pernane lefta apo epidotoumena programata kai ta baftizane dhmosiou gia na kanoun thn douleia tous afou ta pragmatka kefalaia ta "FAGANE" se maimou programmata.Se polla dikasthria pezoun tetoies upo8eseis , allla .... dusthxws den uparxoun kurwseis se kanenan.

    Kai aftoi pou den prepei na einai olo apories gia thn oikonomikh politikh einai oi pasokoi.Giati 3eroun kala ti skata exoun kanei pantou.Ginomai ligo wmos alla etsi einai.Twra o laos plhrwnei tis mizes , tis arpaxtes pou ginane pane sto dhmosio xrhma.

    Oson afora gia anaptu3h: Na milhsoume gia tis BI.ΠΕ ? 3erei kaneis ti einai ? Ekei na deite ti ginotan....Me tsantes fouskomenes kukloforousan ta korakia apo ta upourgeia anaptu3hs.Moirazane ta programmata se tuxodiwktes , xwris desmeuseis.Me apotelesma na yparxoun nekrotafia apo BI.PE se olhn thn ellada kai egklhmaties ergodotes opws p.x lanaras.
    profanws oi goneis sou den einai dhmosioi upallhloi..
    einai oi dikoi sou ? Mhpws einai kai upsilomis8oi ?
    einai dhmisioi ypallhloi...
    fovera upsilovathmoi!! xereis mhpws posa pairnei mia daskala me 25 xronia yphresia?
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    1100 euro ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theCharon
    1100 euro ?
    exactly ...!!
    σηκωσες λιγο την μπλουζιτσα και υποψιαστηκα οτι εισαι ο φρικ. Σε λιγα δευτερολεπτα ειχα μαθει την τραγικη αληθεια.Δεν ξερω αν προσεξες την απογοητευση στo προσωπο μου..
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    Yesterday 19:29 <menumission> de mporeis na kaneis ignore ton eauto sou sto tsat molis to dokimasa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven Lord
    Quote Originally Posted by Deggial
    Υπάρχει σοβαρό ενδιαφέρον από τεχνικές εταιρίες, διότι αυτή τη στιγμή δε γίνονται έργα πουθενά, δεν έχουν εισόδημα.
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    to prwto post tou nerd einai apla kathysterimeno kai geloio.
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    Pali kala einai.

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    To provlima me ti ND einai oti o alogoskoufis einai ilithios. Akoma kai an vroume petreleo se olli tin elada, tha paraminoume mia ftoxi xora giati to oikonomiko epiteleio tis ND apoteleitai apo toso xamilou epipedou "epistimones" pou amfivalo an einai se thesi na diikisoun epitixos ena ergostasio, poso malon mia xora.

    I alithia einai oti paroti to pasok ekane diafores atastaleies, to texnokratiko komati tis diikisis tou einai ipodeigma. Kaneis den amfisvitei oti eginan apeires atastaleies alla einai kalitera na troei kapoios 10 euro kai na ftiaxnei kati me ta 20 pou den troei apo to na petaei kai ta 30 euro ston kaiada.

    Tyxaio einai ot gegonos oti epi 8 xronia i oikonomia pigaina kala kai molis vgike i ND arxise i ptosi?

    A kai prin me xaraktirisei kapoios os pasoko, as riksei mia matia sto antipasokiko flame mou se allo topic prin kanamina. Alla ola ki ola, i antikimeniki kai amerolipti expert opinion mou pano sto thema einai oti to pasok xeirizotan tin oikonomia APEIROS kalitera apo ti ND
    Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deggial
    Όλοι έχουν μερίδιο ευθύνης. Οι επιχειρηματίες με τη δυστυχή νοοτροπία του κοντόφθαλμου κέρδους, το οποίο σημαίνει έλλειψη σοβαρών επενδύσεων (επειδή συνεπάγουν ρίσκο), οι εργοδότες που ενισχύουν τη παραοικονομία (πληρώνοντας μαύρα χρήματα) και φυσικά το μεγάλο πρόβλημα της φοροδιαφυγής.
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    δεν πρέπει, όμως, το κράτος να επαναπαύεται στη φορολογία των πολιτών, ως τη μόνη πηγή εσόδων. και μάλιστα των μέσων/μικρών εισοδημάτων, αφού ως γνωστό, στα μεγάλα εισοδήματα παρέχονται αρκετές "διευκολύνσεις"...
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    Na pw oti kai egw eimai ane3arthtos polika.Pote mou den asxolh8ika alla ta srtavo prepei na legetai.

    Quote Originally Posted by katwrimos

    I alithia einai oti paroti to pasok ekane diafores atastaleies, to texnokratiko komati tis diikisis tou einai ipodeigma. Kaneis den amfisvitei oti eginan apeires atastaleies alla einai kalitera na troei kapoios 10 euro kai na ftiaxnei kati me ta 20 pou den troei apo to na petaei kai ta 30 euro ston kaiada.
    H dioikish htan upodeigma giati eprepe na dei3eis thn komatikh sou tautothta.Xarakthristiko htan mia dhmosios upallhlos ths perifereias pou gia na kanei swsta thn douleia ths , mou zhtouse komatikh tautothta....Kai osoi htan oudeteroi h' mh politikopoihmenoi trabousame ta mallia mas.

    Quote Originally Posted by katwrimos
    Tyxaio einai ot gegonos oti epi 8 xronia i oikonomia pigaina kala kai molis vgike i ND arxise i ptosi?
    me toses atas8alies pou ginane thn teleutaia dekaetia den einai ka8olou tuxaio.Na sou pws ena paradeigma.Otan dhmiourgh8hke to Idruma Ypodoxhs Palinostountwn.Gia ka8e "kefali" pou erxotan to ellhniko kratos eperne kai ta analoga muria apo thn EE.(prepei na htan 15-20 ekatomuria to kefali me dikes mou ektimheis -to ligotero).To pasok ti ekane? Peire ta lefta kai anti na ta moirasei stous omogeneis gia stegash kai oti alles anagkes uphrxan , ta die8ese allou.Fusika eprepe na dw8oun giati h EE 8a erxotan (kai hr8e kai egine ths poutanas) na kanei elegxous.Meta epiase ta pistwtika idrumata (koinws trapezes) kai hr8an sthn e3hs sumfwnia na dinoun oi trapezes daneia ATOKA.Fusika 3ereis esu kamia trapeza pou na dinei atoka lefta ? OXI fusika , tous tokous tous plhrwnei to ellhniko dhmosio kai 8a tous plhrwnei gia toulaxiston 25-30 xronia gia xiliadeis daneia....kai fusika auto den einai tipota.Gnwsth mou pou katebhke apo thn Gallia gia logariasmo ths EE gia na sunta3h ek8esh mou eipe oti mexri kai upourgoi eprepe na mpoune fulakh.Auta ola epi Pasok.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deggial
    Όλοι έχουν μερίδιο ευθύνης. Οι επιχειρηματίες με τη δυστυχή νοοτροπία του κοντόφθαλμου κέρδους, το οποίο σημαίνει έλλειψη σοβαρών επενδύσεων (επειδή συνεπάγουν ρίσκο), οι εργοδότες που ενισχύουν τη παραοικονομία (πληρώνοντας μαύρα χρήματα) και φυσικά το μεγάλο πρόβλημα της φοροδιαφυγής.
    Dusthxh nootropia den exei o epixeirhmatias aplws , exoun kai kapoioi upourgoi oikonomikwn ( opws o Fwtiadhs ) pou kuriolektika poulousan tis 8eseis tou SDOE. Dinane oi upallhloi stous upourgous px 30-40 muria kai ta pernane apo tous elegxous pou kanane katw apo to trapezi apo tous epixeirhmaties.Me apotelesma to kratos na exei apwleies esodwn kai na ta plhrwnoume twra ta spasmena.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raven Lord
    δεν πρέπει, όμως, το κράτος να επαναπαύεται στη φορολογία των πολιτών, ως τη μόνη πηγή εσόδων. και μάλιστα των μέσων/μικρών εισοδημάτων, αφού ως γνωστό, στα μεγάλα εισοδήματα παρέχονται αρκετές "διευκολύνσεις"...
    Sumfwno apolutos.Me mia proupo8esh na kunhghsei to kratos tous upshla amoibomenous dhmosious upallhlous.Den mporei na me gamane emena epeidi eimai ston idiwtiko tomea gia na pernei 1murio/mhna enas ka8usterhmenos anikanos dieu8unths A , B den 3erw kai egw.

    Oson afora to idiwtiko tomea.Opws exei h katastash einai skata.H agora einai pswfia kai den pezei reusto pou8ena.Ti na forologhsh?

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    H dioikish htan upodeigma giati eprepe na dei3eis thn komatikh sou tautothta.Xarakthristiko htan mia dhmosios upallhlos ths perifereias pou gia na kanei swsta thn douleia ths , mou zhtouse komatikh tautothta....Kai osoi htan oudeteroi h' mh politikopoihmenoi trabousame ta mallia mas.
    Afto den to pistevo.
    Kai an ontos sou sinevei kai den to ixografises gia na pouliseis tin kaseta ston triantafilopoulo kai na gineis plousios eisai akyros

    Quote Originally Posted by katwrimos
    Tyxaio einai ot gegonos oti epi 8 xronia i oikonomia pigaina kala kai molis vgike i ND arxise i ptosi?
    me toses atas8alies pou ginane thn teleutaia dekaetia den einai ka8olou tuxaio.Na sou pws ena paradeigma.Otan dhmiourgh8hke to Idruma Ypodoxhs Palinostountwn.Gia ka8e "kefali" pou erxotan to ellhniko kratos eperne kai ta analoga muria apo thn EE.(prepei na htan 15-20 ekatomuria to kefali me dikes mou ektimheis -to ligotero).To pasok ti ekane? Peire ta lefta kai anti na ta moirasei stous omogeneis gia stegash kai oti alles anagkes uphrxan , ta die8ese allou.Fusika eprepe na dw8oun giati h EE 8a erxotan (kai hr8e kai egine ths poutanas) na kanei elegxous.Meta epiase ta pistwtika idrumata (koinws trapezes) kai hr8an sthn e3hs sumfwnia na dinoun oi trapezes daneia ATOKA.Fusika 3ereis esu kamia trapeza pou na dinei atoka lefta ? OXI fusika , tous tokous tous plhrwnei to ellhniko dhmosio kai 8a tous plhrwnei gia toulaxiston 25-30 xronia gia xiliadeis daneia....kai fusika auto den einai tipota.Gnwsth mou pou katebhke apo thn Gallia gia logariasmo ths EE gia na sunta3h ek8esh mou eipe oti mexri kai upourgoi eprepe na mpoune fulakh.Auta ola epi Pasok.
    Afto einai ena mikro paradeigma pou den dikiologei ti genikoteri eikona tis oikonomias FETOS. I oikona tis oikonomias eksigitai eparkestata apo tis apanotes malakies tou alogoskoufi. Afto einai oudeteri kai expert opinion, an thelete sas tin ksanagrafo kai se 6 mines os melos tou oikonomikou epimelitiriou

    Dusthxh nootropia den exei o epixeirhmatias aplws , exoun kai kapoioi upourgoi oikonomikwn ( opws o Fwtiadhs ) pou kuriolektika poulousan tis 8eseis tou SDOE. Dinane oi upallhloi stous upourgous px 30-40 muria kai ta pernane apo tous elegxous pou kanane katw apo to trapezi apo tous epixeirhmaties.Me apotelesma to kratos na exei apwleies esodwn kai na ta plhrwnoume twra ta spasmena.
    Kai pali eisai lathos, pithanos apomonoses 1-2 peristatika kai eipes oti "afou 2 ipalioou tou sdoe einai ekei apo tin piso porta, olo to sdoe einai dieftharmeno" pou apotelei oxi aplos deigma eleipsis pliroforisis, alla deigma asxetosinis, kathoti to sdoe apotelese SIMANTIKOTATO PARAGONTA auksisis ton dimosion esodon kai oxi meiosis. Kai afto den einai diki mou gnomi alla sisomou tou oikonomikou epimelitiriou (neodimokratikis pterygas included).
    Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.
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    1.Pistepse to.
    2.Den eimai oikonomologos gia na krinw thn oikonomia.Alla den 8elei na bgaleis kanena panepistimio gia na sumpairaneis oti plhrwnoume tis malakies tou pasok.Kai to paradeigma einai ontws mikro giati tis periodous ekeineis sunebhsan kai xeirotera....
    3.Den apomonosa 2-3 peristatika.SE olous tous gnwstous mou pou kanane elegxous , eite apo KEΠ , eite klimakia kabalas eite 8essalonikhs.EGINA PANTOU ta idia.Opote den bgazw sumperasmata au8ereta.Mono mia periptwsh arnh8hke na mpei se authn thn diadikasia.
    Ean to pisteue kai h neodhmokratikh pteruga den 8a katargousan tous elegxous.

    Katwrime auta pou grafw den ta diabazw se xartia oute mou ta leei kanenas ta zw ka8hmerina mias kai sunalasomai me para polu kosmo kai mhn bgazeis ton ka8ena asxeto.Sun paren8esh upel8imizw oti eimai politoka ane3arthtos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven Lord
    δεν πρέπει, όμως, το κράτος να επαναπαύεται στη φορολογία των πολιτών, ως τη μόνη πηγή εσόδων. και μάλιστα των μέσων/μικρών εισοδημάτων, αφού ως γνωστό, στα μεγάλα εισοδήματα παρέχονται αρκετές "διευκολύνσεις"...
    ta megala eisodhmata taizoyn to kratos.

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    [quote=freak brother]
    Quote Originally Posted by "The Nerd":1n2z21zy
    Ok file pasokatzh pare ena sovaro post:
    Afoy h ellhnikh oikonomia einai ths plakas egw pisteyw oti 2 epiloges paizoyn:
    a) Ta dinoyme ola twra (kata to TSOVOLA DWSTA OLA) kai falirizoyme ws xwra
    b) Mazeyoyme kana fragko (kati to opoio prospa8ei na kanei h ND) kai parakalame na mhn ta fane (yeah right) kai na ginei apotelesmatikh diaxeirish porwn (kati to opoio ellada den ginetai)
    Me liga logia file moy, ton exoyme piei opws kai na exei kai to treno perase gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia.

    to vrhkes xaxaxaxa

    kai as ypothesoume oti auta pou eipes einai swsta.. giati alla legan proeklogika? htan toso adaeis pou den eixan idea gia to pou paei h ellhnikh oikonomia kai pesan apta sunefa?[/quote:1n2z21zy]

    Giati o mesos ellhnas einai malakas kai 8elei na akoysei ayta poy 8elei kai oxi ayta poy einai. Paidia mhn skefteste mono se epipedo Elladas alla deite to 8ema lamvanontas ypopsh kai tis alles parametroys ths pagkosmias oikonomias.
    Θες να κάνεις τη ζωή σου καλύτερη; Σβήσε τα περιττά σου mp3 (και προιόντα συναφών απωλεστικών ή μη αλγορίθμων).

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