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    H tainia einai phxtra stous symbolismous, kai to prwto pragma pou prepei na katalabei kapoios blepontas thn tainia einai oti blepoume thn istoria apo to myalo tou prwtagwnisth (o opoios einai... poly arrwstos).

    Egw exw katalabei to ekshs xontra-xontra.

    O prwtagwnisths mpainei sthn fylakh gia ton fono ths gynaikas tou. H tainia ksekinaei me to koudouni (opoios thymatai) kai teleiwnei peripou me thn idia skhnh. Opote katalabaineis oti o Lynch paizei me ton xrono, xwris bebaia na sou dinei safeis endeikseis pote paei pisw. Proswpika pisteyw oti mexri thn stigmh ths fylakishs ola eksellisontai swsta, mexri thn stigmh ths metamorfwshs, pou einai sthn ousia ena diarkes flashback mexri thn arxh ths tainias (sto shmeio pou tou xwnei mpounia o mpatsos kai ton ksypnaei).

    Ta panta einai symbolismoi. H gkomena, o mafiozos, oi kameres, h kalyba pou flegetai antistrofa, o Mystery Man... mexri kai o dromos einai symbolo. Sthn pragmatikothta exei symbei ena gegonos: O prwtagwnisths skotwse thn gynaika tou. Kai apo kei kai meta o Lynch mas deixnei pws katelhkse h istoria s'ayto to gegonos. Apo thn arxh o antras fainetai pou arneitai oti thn skotwse. Kai synexws, mexri to telos ths tainias den dexetai ayto to gegonos. Zei mia synexh katastash arnhshs ths pragmatikothtas... se shmeio pou sto myalo tou apofasizei na mhn einai o eaytos tou, kai ginetai o nearos pou douleyei sto fanartzidiko (h prwth metamorfwsh). Afou biwnei polla perierga pragmata ws nearos ftanei se ena shmeio pou exei paei sthn erhmo kai gamietai me thn gkomena kai ekeinh tou leei "you'll never have me". Kai shkwnetai kai einai pali o eaytos tou! (2h metamorfwsh). Ayto deixnei ekeinh th stigmh oti o prwtagwnisths mesa s'olo ayto to psema pou zouse antilambanetai pros stigmh thn pragmatikothta kai ginetai ksana o eaytos tou. Se ena sygkekrimeno plano an thymaste, deixnei thn kalyba pou flegetai antistrofa kai meta apo thn porta bgainei o Mystery Man. Krathste to ayto ypopsin, dioti telika h kalyba symbolizei thn zwh pou zouse o prwtagwnisths, oi floges einai ta arnhtika synaisthimata tou pou sygkentrwnontai se ena meros.... kai mesa ap'ola ayta gennietai o Mystery Man o opoios einai sthn ousia ola ta asxhma synaisthimata tou, h synaisthimatikh tou orgh kata kapoio tropo. Thymithike sthn skhnh tou fonou pou o mafiozos exei rhksei ton prwtagwnisth katw kai kapoios dinei ston prwtagwnisth ena maxairi, kai kobei ton laimo tou mafiozou... Kai meta emfanizetai o Mystery Man na skotwnei me ena peristrofo ton mafiozo, alla akribws sto epomeno plano o Mystery Man xanetai kai to peristrofo to krataei o prwtagwnisths! Einai katharo shmadi oti o Mystery Man einai h orgh, h synaisthimatikh fortish tou prwtagwnisth pou telika ton bohthaei (kai ton wthei) sto na skotwsei. To thema bebaia einai TI skotwnei... O mafiozos mallon ekfrazei tis amfibolies tou prwtagwnisth sth zwh tou... tis anasfaleies tou, tous fobous tou oti h gynaika tou einai apisth kai phdietai me allous. Kai skotwnontas ayton (o opoios mallon einai kai pragmatiko proswpo, den kserw) pairnei apofash na skotwsei thn gynaika tou...

    Ws nearos pisteyw oti o prwtagwnisths biwnei thn zwh ths gynaikas tou... mpainei in her shoes... Opws kai h ksanthia gamiotan m'ayton otan aytos ypotithetai eixe gkomena (h opoia gkomena einai antistoixa aytos sth fantasia tou) etsi kai h gynaika tou sthn pragmatikothta phdiotan kai m'ayton (kai den to xairontousan, opws akribws h gkomena rwtaei ton nearo kati san "why don't you like me?") alla kai me ton allo ton mafiozo. H ksanthia gkomena einai ayto pou fanhke sthn tainia. Enas peirasmos. H gynaika pou thes na gamhseis otan eisai desmeymenos... Kai argotera, me tis binteokassetes kai tis kameres... aytes einai h pragmatikothta. Gi'ayto prwtagwnisths ths apofeygei... den thelei na blepei thn pragmatikothta...

    Ta back and forths sthn tainia einai para polla, oi symbolismoi einai poly eksypnoi kai thelei polles wres na skeftw ti allo mporei na ginetai. Alla nomizw oti bohthisa arketa pollous na katalaboun peripou ti ginetai...

    To mynhma pisw ap'olh ayth thn istoria? Proswpika pisteyw oti o Lynch leei na mhn ta paratame, na exoume pisth ston eayto mas kai na exoume ta @@ na biwnoume thn pragmatikothta se olh ths thn ektash.... kati pou einai poly dyskolo giati mas aresei na koroideyoume ton eayto mas kai protimame thn eyxaristhsh para thn alhtheia. Oi anthrwpoi einai aisthitikistes kai ayth h tainia to apodeiknyei peritrana, mono pou yparxei kai ayto to mikro pragma pou legetai "typseis", ta opoia omws exoun terastio antiktypo sthn apodoxh twn dikwn mas psemmatwn apo ton eayto mas... Kai sthn tainia akoma kai sto telos o prwtagwnisths einai xamenos entelws, sthn ystath stigmh pou tha pethanei akoma psaxnei na brei mia nea taytothta, na metamorfwthei se kati allo, se kati pou den einai kai den apodexetai ton eayto tou.

    Well, that sums it up.

    To kalytero pragma m'ayth thn tainia einai oti mporw na thn parallhlisw me ena kalo album mousikhs... mporw na th dw ksana kai ksana kai ksana...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoebus
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    H tainia einai phxtra stous symbolismous, kai to prwto pragma pou prepei na katalabei kapoios blepontas thn tainia einai oti blepoume thn istoria apo to myalo tou prwtagwnisth (o opoios einai... poly arrwstos)
    Kala, mas paei dhladh gia 8essalonikh mesw Ale3androupolhs...

    Para poly mou arese kai to "Street story".
    O an8rwpos elefantas exei to fobero adagio toy Barber.

    Nothing but me (h kapws etsi teleiwnei). Sygkloonistikh...
    Mille anni passi sunt...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoebus
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    H tainia einai phxtra stous symbolismous, kai to prwto pragma pou prepei na katalabei kapoios blepontas thn tainia einai oti blepoume thn istoria apo to myalo tou prwtagwnisth (o opoios einai... poly arrwstos).

    Egw exw katalabei to ekshs xontra-xontra.

    O prwtagwnisths mpainei sthn fylakh gia ton fono ths gynaikas tou. H tainia ksekinaei me to koudouni (opoios thymatai) kai teleiwnei peripou me thn idia skhnh. Opote katalabaineis oti o Lynch paizei me ton xrono, xwris bebaia na sou dinei safeis endeikseis pote paei pisw. Proswpika pisteyw oti mexri thn stigmh ths fylakishs ola eksellisontai swsta, mexri thn stigmh ths metamorfwshs, pou einai sthn ousia ena diarkes flashback mexri thn arxh ths tainias (sto shmeio pou tou xwnei mpounia o mpatsos kai ton ksypnaei).

    Ta panta einai symbolismoi. H gkomena, o mafiozos, oi kameres, h kalyba pou flegetai antistrofa, o Mystery Man... mexri kai o dromos einai symbolo. Sthn pragmatikothta exei symbei ena gegonos: O prwtagwnisths skotwse thn gynaika tou. Kai apo kei kai meta o Lynch mas deixnei pws katelhkse h istoria s'ayto to gegonos. Apo thn arxh o antras fainetai pou arneitai oti thn skotwse. Kai synexws, mexri to telos ths tainias den dexetai ayto to gegonos. Zei mia synexh katastash arnhshs ths pragmatikothtas... se shmeio pou sto myalo tou apofasizei na mhn einai o eaytos tou, kai ginetai o nearos pou douleyei sto fanartzidiko (h prwth metamorfwsh). Afou biwnei polla perierga pragmata ws nearos ftanei se ena shmeio pou exei paei sthn erhmo kai gamietai me thn gkomena kai ekeinh tou leei "you'll never have me". Kai shkwnetai kai einai pali o eaytos tou! (2h metamorfwsh). Ayto deixnei ekeinh th stigmh oti o prwtagwnisths mesa s'olo ayto to psema pou zouse antilambanetai pros stigmh thn pragmatikothta kai ginetai ksana o eaytos tou. Se ena sygkekrimeno plano an thymaste, deixnei thn kalyba pou flegetai antistrofa kai meta apo thn porta bgainei o Mystery Man. Krathste to ayto ypopsin, dioti telika h kalyba symbolizei thn zwh pou zouse o prwtagwnisths, oi floges einai ta arnhtika synaisthimata tou pou sygkentrwnontai se ena meros.... kai mesa ap'ola ayta gennietai o Mystery Man o opoios einai sthn ousia ola ta asxhma synaisthimata tou, h synaisthimatikh tou orgh kata kapoio tropo. Thymithike sthn skhnh tou fonou pou o mafiozos exei rhksei ton prwtagwnisth katw kai kapoios dinei ston prwtagwnisth ena maxairi, kai kobei ton laimo tou mafiozou... Kai meta emfanizetai o Mystery Man na skotwnei me ena peristrofo ton mafiozo, alla akribws sto epomeno plano o Mystery Man xanetai kai to peristrofo to krataei o prwtagwnisths! Einai katharo shmadi oti o Mystery Man einai h orgh, h synaisthimatikh fortish tou prwtagwnisth pou telika ton bohthaei (kai ton wthei) sto na skotwsei. To thema bebaia einai TI skotwnei... O mafiozos mallon ekfrazei tis amfibolies tou prwtagwnisth sth zwh tou... tis anasfaleies tou, tous fobous tou oti h gynaika tou einai apisth kai phdietai me allous. Kai skotwnontas ayton (o opoios mallon einai kai pragmatiko proswpo, den kserw) pairnei apofash na skotwsei thn gynaika tou...

    Ws nearos pisteyw oti o prwtagwnisths biwnei thn zwh ths gynaikas tou... mpainei in her shoes... Opws kai h ksanthia gamiotan m'ayton otan aytos ypotithetai eixe gkomena (h opoia gkomena einai antistoixa aytos sth fantasia tou) etsi kai h gynaika tou sthn pragmatikothta phdiotan kai m'ayton (kai den to xairontousan, opws akribws h gkomena rwtaei ton nearo kati san "why don't you like me?") alla kai me ton allo ton mafiozo. H ksanthia gkomena einai ayto pou fanhke sthn tainia. Enas peirasmos. H gynaika pou thes na gamhseis otan eisai desmeymenos... Kai argotera, me tis binteokassetes kai tis kameres... aytes einai h pragmatikothta. Gi'ayto prwtagwnisths ths apofeygei... den thelei na blepei thn pragmatikothta...

    Ta back and forths sthn tainia einai para polla, oi symbolismoi einai poly eksypnoi kai thelei polles wres na skeftw ti allo mporei na ginetai. Alla nomizw oti bohthisa arketa pollous na katalaboun peripou ti ginetai...

    To mynhma pisw ap'olh ayth thn istoria? Proswpika pisteyw oti o Lynch leei na mhn ta paratame, na exoume pisth ston eayto mas kai na exoume ta @@ na biwnoume thn pragmatikothta se olh ths thn ektash.... kati pou einai poly dyskolo giati mas aresei na koroideyoume ton eayto mas kai protimame thn eyxaristhsh para thn alhtheia. Oi anthrwpoi einai aisthitikistes kai ayth h tainia to apodeiknyei peritrana, mono pou yparxei kai ayto to mikro pragma pou legetai "typseis", ta opoia omws exoun terastio antiktypo sthn apodoxh twn dikwn mas psemmatwn apo ton eayto mas... Kai sthn tainia akoma kai sto telos o prwtagwnisths einai xamenos entelws, sthn ystath stigmh pou tha pethanei akoma psaxnei na brei mia nea taytothta, na metamorfwthei se kati allo, se kati pou den einai kai den apodexetai ton eayto tou.

    Well, that sums it up.

    To kalytero pragma m'ayth thn tainia einai oti mporw na thn parallhlisw me ena kalo album mousikhs... mporw na th dw ksana kai ksana kai ksana...
    se mia tainia tou aggelopoulou (den thymamai se pia) se mia fash vgainoun kapioi anthrwpoi apo ena kafeneio kai anoigoun oloi mavres ompreles..
    Oi kritikoi kinhmatografou arxisan na exumnoun thn skhnh autoi kai na analyoun tous symvolismous ths...

    kai otan rwthsan ton aggelopoulo ti hthele na pei eipe...

    O kur pantelhs pou exei to kafeneio den hthele na vgalei thn tampela "kafeneio o pantelhs" kai anagkasthkame na anoixoume tis ompreles gia na mhn fainetai h tampela.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freak brother
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    se mia tainia tou aggelopoulou (den thymamai se pia) se mia fash vgainoun kapioi anthrwpoi apo ena kafeneio kai anoigoun oloi mavres ompreles..
    Oi kritikoi kinhmatografou arxisan na exumnoun thn skhnh autoi kai na analyoun tous symvolismous ths...

    kai otan rwthsan ton aggelopoulo ti hthele na pei eipe...

    O kur pantelhs pou exei to kafeneio den hthele na vgalei thn tampela "kafeneio o pantelhs" kai anagkasthkame na anoixoume tis ompreles gia na mhn fainetai h tampela.

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    xaxaxa gelaw astamathta.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    (mhpws htan h prosfath "To leibadi pou dakryzei"?
    Mille anni passi sunt...

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    oxi den thymamai pia htan.. to metewro vhma i think
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    Ok, allo omws na anarwtiesai gia mia skini ti ithele na pei h ti sumbolize ki allo gia mia olokliri tainia, etsi?
    Anyway, tha sumfwnisw me to Phoebus
    To kalytero pragma m'ayth thn tainia einai oti mporw na thn parallhlisw me ena kalo album mousikhs... mporw na th dw ksana kai ksana kai ksana...
    YOU DONT FIND YOUR WAY, THE WAY FINDS YOU...

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    Δεν είναι και πολύ δύσκολη ταινία αν έχεις δεί και το Mulholland Dr. και όλες όσες έχει κάνει.Ακολουθεί περίπου την ίδια τακτική.Ψιλοαφηρημένη μου φάνηκε,πάντως με καλύψανε σε μεγάλο ποσοστό οι απόψεις Phoebus.
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    Oraia tha katso na to diavaso giati den dexomai oti mia tainia autou tou stul den exei exigisi. Opos xekathari exigisi exei kai to Mulholland.

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    Arxika.
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    Kataplhktiki tainia.

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    optika ontws, kataplhktikh. kata ta alla, psilo-meh. exei poly kalutera imo.

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    Pros ti i mountza? Exo dikio i oxi?

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