The Times They Are-A-Changing ...

[Archangel]

Oxi den anaferomai sthn nea tainia gia ton Bob Dylan h opoia by the way - SUCKS!!!

Kyries, kyrioi kai mikra paidia ... 8a h8ela gia ena lepto thn prosoxh sas... Eimai apo tous an8rwpous oi opoioi pisteuoun sthn allagh ws meso beltiwseis, ok, alla lew twra, ti ginetai me pen&paper rpgs? Den ennow se sxesh me ta on-line paixnidia. Ennow me tis kai-kala updated `h beltiwmenes//ana8ewrhmenes ekdoseis....

San paidi kai egw ksekinhsa me ta bibliopaixnida kai to Hero Quest sto dhmotiko, synexhsa me good old fashiones adnd (to opoio akoma lew dnd - Raveloft, Dark Sun, Dragonlance kai logo Forgotten) ospou na perasw sth White Wolf (kai fysika se Vampire, Werewolf, Mage, Wraith ktl) me liges alakse-o-kolies typou Chaosium (Cthulu - Elric - Nephilim) kai genika kanena allo systhmatikh pou kai pou...

Twte re paidia yphrxe diaforopoihsh sta shsthmata kai (egw) pisteyw oti ws ena ba8mo, to game mechanics epireazei thn proswpikothta tou paixnidiou. Dekto to oti ena kalo concept exane me ena kako systhma, kai dekto to oti to d10 kai d20 einai apla kai katanohta ... alla kati den mou kolaei. Twra, ola (sxedon) fenontai kapws idia, san soupa, me generic similar mechanics.....

Ok paidi tou 2nd edition kai tou Masquarade, alla, pws na to pw, Orc Palladin .... giati oxi 8a peite, alla kapou kati mou leei oti Paladin mono oi humans ginontai .... kai, xm, allo na einai o Kain o vampirics propatoras (me ena rich history) kai allo o Longinos (kai paly isws ...).

Eseis ti letai peri tou 8ematos ....

[sabbattack]

eisai oligon ti kollhmenos.

Kai ti einai dhladh o paladin gia na einai mono an8rwpos? Xristodoulos einai gia na exei thn monadikothta h Papas gia to alan8asto.

Giati na mhn paikseis dhladh ena Elf paladin h (akoma akoma) Half Orc paladin?

Kai sto telos telos bres mou ENA, mono ENA systhma 2nd edition pou na eixe toulaxiston "kalous" kanones.

DEN MILAW GIA FLAVOR KAI TIS LOIPES PAPARIES POU LENE OI 2ND EDITIONADES. MILAW GIA K-A-N-O-N-E-S.

Loipon opws elega nai h WOTC paei kata diaolou. Nai exoume na riksoume gelio me to olo 8ema tou 4th edition.

Ta generic similar mechanics einai 8eio dwro pros olous tous apantaxou paixtes. Arketa diaforetika gia na mh ginoume GURPS (pou einai gamw ta systhmatakia btw) kai oson afora twra to neo WoD exeis adiko megalo.

De se aresei h nea istoria sto WoD? Mhn to kathgoreis! Mhn to paizeis. Nai to neo WoD exei kati trypes gia na pernas kefali apo mesa stous kanones. O kalyteros sniper tou kosmou (klasikotato paradeigma) de mporei na kanei one-hit-kill me 100% sigouria. Otinanai. Diafora alla sto Mage (gamw to Paradox gamw) alla en pasei einai aiwnes mprosta apo to prohgoumeno vampire me tous ELEOS tremere kai to paradox me pyrhnikes bombes.

Auta gia to rant.

Long Live Iron Heroes.

[beat_the_meatles]

Oi kanones den epirreazoun to game auto ka8auto para mono na dieukolynoun h na dysxerainoun to ry8mo tou. An paizeis to concept tou xarakthra sou swsta den exeis prob eite einai se d10 eite se d20 eite se d100 (blepe merp). Apo ekei k pera h pleiopshfia twn paixtwn ftiaxnoun to xarakthra tous k to prwto prama pou lene einai ti str 8a exw, ti clan 8a eimai.. den akous k pollous na lene.. ti concept 8a exw..

Gia ta new editions tou ADnD de 8a pw giati den asxoloume me adnd. Gia mena o kosmos exei meinei kollhmenos sto 2nd edition and that's just fine by me.

Oson afora to WoD2 egw briskw oti ok leipei to metaplot k olh h poseuria tou eimai o tade descendant tou kain tou arxivampire klp klp. Pleon epikentrwnetai pio poly sto ti einai na eisai vampire se mia polh mesa kai se bazei pio poly mesa sta drwmena opou den exeis ton x-y brykolaka o opoios edw k mia xilietia 3ynei ta axamna tou k 3afnika apofasise na asxolh8ei me tin polh gia na sou kanei ti zwh sou dyskolh. Episis h ww den ebgale metaplot gia na afhsei ton st na dhmiourghsei dika tou story hooks. An exeis kalo ST auto ginetai apisteuta endiaferon.
Episis.. epitelous mazepsane kapws to powergaming.. opws anefere k o sabbattack gia tremere k spirit nukes kai loipes pipes.. eleos pleon. Burning blade k agios o 8eos.. tespa. Den briskw oti to new WoDysterei, apla einai diaforetiko. Bres poio sou tairiazei perissotero k pai3e auto. Den einai ypoxrewtiko o "dikos" sou kosmos (blepe palio wod) na exei teleiwsei... mporei o Kain akoma na krybetai kapou k o tzimisce akoma na etoimazetai na ta kanei ola p00tana

[Mitsmann]

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Kai sto telos telos bres mou ENA, mono ENA systhma 2nd edition pou na eixe toulaxiston "kalous" kanones.

DEN MILAW GIA FLAVOR KAI TIS LOIPES PAPARIES POU LENE OI 2ND EDITIONADES. MILAW GIA K-A-N-O-N-E-S.

Παιζαμε 8-10 χρονια 2nd εδισιον και δεν πλακωθηκαμε ποτε για τους κανονες. Για δες!

[Archangel]

Geez.... it never stops.....

SABBATACK : Kapote, xronia prhn, yphrxe o monokeros, sth Biktwria, prhn ginei Kaisa kai metafer8ei ligo pio katw... kapoia stigmh otan o kosmos htan xaroumenos me to Unearthed Arcana tou Gygax hr8e h 2nd edition tou AD&D ... (kapou konta sto 1989!!!) Sthn Elladoula to 2nd edition hr8e kapws argotera, alla akoma kai tote yphrxe trelo dispute gia to oti h prwth ekdosh, h akoma kai Unearthed Arcana, htan kalytera kai genikotera ti pozerilikh htan ola ayta. To palhkari sto monokero apla xamogelage kai ellege na deite se 5 xronia posoi 8a paizoun 1st edition.

To 8ema einai mesa se 11 xronia mono mia minor allagh me to revisioned Hand Book , kai pola biblia apo Classes mexri opla h prhka gia Paladinous ....
Me thn 3rd edition eixame mesa se 3 xronia thn 3.5 ekdosh me kai kala errata kai allages se kapoia skills (major ripp off). Den lew oti to paixnidi den egine pio moderno, alla nai re file allakse to flavor.... Twra pia to DnD (d20) den exei diafora apo to Lonewolf pou agorasa, opws kai apo alla "N" rpg (d20 Star Wars) ta opoia exoun to idio method of advancement, to idio progression skill ktl... dld ayto poy eyagelizesai (eykolia) einai apla ...bariomaste na broume ena neo systhma opote parte to idio gia ola kai ante geia.... (dld o 5th level Scroundel, allazei rouxa kai ginetai 5th lvl thief... afynei to blaster kai pianei to hand crossbow ).

Kai sto telos telos bres mou ENA, mono ENA systhma 2nd edition pou na eixe toulaxiston "kalous" kanones.

- Emmm, to antistoixo periodou Elric ???

4th edition DnD me nous??? kanones ....nuff said.

Sxetika me to WoD, kai paly oreksh... apla htan pio demeno san istoria, kai oson afora to power-play, panta 8a yparxei, to mono pou exw na pw einai oti antimetopizetai me clever-play ...kai apo skeptomenous ST... dld ante kai exeis Spirit manipulation//Thaumaturgy ... re file olh h Umbra se proskhna ??? Kaneis bind ena - 2 - 10 spirits ... e, kapoia stigmh 8a skasei to generic greater spirit kai 8a sou eksyghsei to oneiro, ean to parakaneis ....

SPIRIT NUKES.... YEAH? YEAH!

Oi kanones den epirreazoun to game auto ka8auto para mono na dieukolynoun h na dysxerainoun to ry8mo tou. An paizeis to concept tou xarakthra sou swsta den exeis prob eite einai se d10 eite se d20 eite se d100 (blepe merp). Apo ekei k pera h pleiopshfia twn paixtwn ftiaxnoun to xarakthra tous k to prwto prama pou lene einai ti str 8a exw, ti clan 8a eimai.. den akous k pollous na lene.. ti concept 8a exw..

- Ayto einai megalh alh8eia, sthn telikh esy ftiaxneis h g*mas to paixnidi, to background//yliko pou prosferei kapoio brand apla prosdidei ba8os ston kosmo (gia merikous) `h kanei limit sthn dhmiourghkothta twn paixtwn (gia merikous allous)....

Mitsman paizame Vampire 2nd edition live kai plakonomastan ka8e xrono ... einai o kosmos, oxi to paixnidi

Ayta more or less

[When Black Roses Bloom]

Μην ακούς κανέναν, αυτό το φόρουμ είναι αφιερωμένο στην 2νδ ΑΔνΔ, στο δ100 Κόλλ Οφ Κθούλου, και στο Ρέϊβενλοφτ με τον Λορδ Σόθ. Η 3ρδ, 3,5θ και τώρα εντώς ολίγου 4θ, είναι για το πέος πεν & πέιπερ Ντιάμπλο της Χάζμπρο. Άντε και ελ-γκρέκο με το καλό.

[Archangel]

xmmmm

koita, symfwnw mazi sou, bebaia einai ligo eksw apo ta dontia h topo8ethsh sou... alla pragmatika pisteuw oti ws ena ba8mo, h omadopoihsh twn game mechanics, einai ena merketing texnasmama, me apotero skopo to mpoustarisma twn polhsewn ara = emporeymatopoihsh, are = kako. Dhladh to eblepes otan o Mark Rein Haagen egrafe to WoD, eixe ena x flavour, otan omws h WW egine "megalh etairia, metakomhsan ta grafeia tous ktl, kapou apo "indy" paixnidi, egine psilomainstream (kai gi`ayto o Haagen thn ekane kai apla krathse ta dhkaiomata....)

Den paizw Vampire gia na eksoterhkeusw to krhmeno teras mesa mou wste na ginw kalhteros an8rwpos mesa apo mia ka8artikh apokalhpsh (dld paizontas WoD ) - alla paizw gia na perasw kala, epeidh to mood einai kalo, kai epeidh to brhskw apla cool...

Paidia eblepa ena dokimanter gia thn Crystal Dynamics, ID kai thn Eidos, ... arxika oi developers htan atoma me metal T-shirts, mousia, kai genikotera xhma sto khma. Bermoudes ktl. Kamena me thn kalh ennoia atomakia. Giayto ebgazan games ta opoia g*mousane.... epeidh ta goustara oi idioi prwta. Meta omws, otan agorasthkan apo etairies typou EA, phgan se nea grafeia kai epebalan dress code ktl, e ta paixniadia eginan ligo pio ...anwsta. Thats my point.

Douleis gia thn parth sou prwta, kai meta gia to $, to 8ema einai poso dia8ethmenos eisai na nerwseis to krasi sou....

[When Black Roses Bloom]

Δες το Fallout και Fallout 2 και σύγκρινέ το με το Tactics... Τι να λέμε τώρα...

[Archangel]

den exw asxolh8ei ka8olou me ta fallout, alla apoti hksera eixan kai ena systhma save/load !!!!!!

[MoRmEnGiL]

to fallout tactics gamei kai dernei

[Archangel]

Bro, ti na sou pw ....den ksairw.... mporei ka na exeis dykio....
Einai san thn magyritsa kai ton patsa .... allos trwei, to ena, allos to allo, alloi kanena kai alloi kai ta 2.... o,ti katsei....

Egw d20 me to systma ths 3.5 ekdoshs den goustarw.... oute to new WoD ....

Roufhx8entwn panta twn tyrwn....

[Illhousen.Gregorian]

eisai oligon ti kollhmenos.

Kai ti einai dhladh o paladin gia na einai mono an8rwpos? Xristodoulos einai gia na exei thn monadikothta h Papas gia to alan8asto.

Giati na mhn paikseis dhladh ena Elf paladin h (akoma akoma) Half Orc paladin?

Blepw h floga anapse ksana kai h aenah maxh synexizetai. Kalispera :]

Sthn 2nd edition kaneis den apagoreyei na pekseis elf paladin h orc paladin h yuan-ti paladin ;p Oloi oi syggrafeis protrepoun tous dm na kanoun oti theloun gia na kanoun to klima tou paixnidiou kalytero.

Kapoies protaseis bebaia stekoun. Ta elf , sou leei o mparmpas, einai xaotika apo th fysh tous. OI theoi pou latreyoun, kata kyrio logo, einai epishs xaotikoi. Ta orc apo thn allh exoun biaiah kai kthnwdh fysh.

Oi humans twra sygkentronoun perissotera stoixia pou armozoun se ena paladin. Fanatizontai. Zoun liga xronia. H fysh tous tous protrepei na forane parwpides Einai thema flavour Ama den yparxei tote den yparxei trapezi den yparxei nohma. Apla ena matso apo ilithious pou xaironte petontas zaria kai ypologizontas dmg.

DEN MILAW GIA FLAVOR KAI TIS LOIPES PAPARIES POU LENE OI 2ND EDITIONADES. MILAW GIA K-A-N-O-N-E-S.

Ena dakry kylise sto aristero mou magoulo kathws diabasa ta anoterw ;[ ama den yphrxe flavour nomizw tha paizame oloi diablo pou gamaei kai tha eimastan kai xaroumenoi. pen'n'paper without flavor for the lose


Tespa.. ayto pou thelw na pw einai oti symfonw apolyta me ta parapanw post. To peirama tou 3rd edition desmeyei thn fantasia tou paixth se ena shmeio. H apla thn parafortwnei To systhma sthn 2nd den lew. prosferei kapoia paralysh se neyrwnes , elafres hmikranies k.t.l. Alla dinei pory xoro gia metapoihsh ;]

Μην ακούς κανέναν, αυτό το φόρουμ είναι αφιερωμένο στην 2νδ ΑΔνΔ, στο δ100 Κόλλ Οφ Κθούλου, και στο Ρέϊβενλοφτ με τον Λορδ Σόθ. Η 3ρδ, 3,5θ και τώρα εντώς ολίγου 4θ, είναι για το πέος πεν & πέιπερ Ντιάμπλο της Χάζμπρο. Άντε και ελ-γκρέκο με το καλό.

Auto...


y.g. Vampire:The Dark ages > ALL

[MoRmEnGiL]

Masquerade FTW

Oso gia to 2nd vs third.. The game is what the players and the DM make out of it, so den exei pragmatika shmasia an paizeis 2nd h third.. apla tyxainei na mou aresei to systhma ths 3rd perissotero..

Isws epeidh eimai palemaxos RPG player pragmatika (apo 92 paizw,apo mikros sto kapsimo ) exw katastala3ei sto 8ema role playing kai to blepw teleiws 3exwra apo to 8ema game rules..

Paradexteite to, oi polemioi tou 3rd eiste ligo peismatarhdes.

[Archangel]

Dr Illhousen (plaka kseplaka esy den pe8anes???)...

to 8ema to opoio 8ygeis telika stamata sto kata poso enas paikths kanei kalo rp. Den eimai apo tous kalyterous rp`s kai tolmw na pw oti yparxoun kapoia stereotypa ta opoia epanalambanontai stous xarakthres mou ... (loners, cynics, survivors, wise-mouth, foul-mouthed etc...) 2 fores stis opoies phga na kanw rp (isws kai 3 ) antimetwpisa problhma....

Mia fora htan me enan nazi gangrel... Diapystwsa me lyph, oti o kosmos einai pio anektikos sxetika me Sabbath diabolists, child molesters kai genikotera "grafikes" persones kakou (o subtle Tzimisce monster // toreador hedonist deviant // baali cultist) para gia ena nigger-hating nazi gangrel ... (ton opoio apeshra giati ksenerwne o ypoloipos kosmos).

Allh mia fora enas Jamaican setite (o opoios htan character oriented egine skonh apo mia ordh sabbat armed me protean 2 kai celerity-potence-fortitude). So much for rp disciplines ....

Telos, enas greedy, amoral fighter-thief elf ... prokalouse megalytero problhma sto party (ok htan enas greedy amoralisths bastardos ....) apo ton necromancer o opoios den eixe problhma na kanei raise dead (h mallon undead) anamesa se good -aligned xarakthres (oi opoioi sthn telikh pisteyan oti einai kako na skwtwneis a8oous - allo oxi meta na tous kaneis zombie ?!?)

Sthn telikh eimaste an8rwpoi, kai sto elaxisto den mporoume na proseghsoume to psyche enos elf h mias allhs fylhs..... Yparxoun stereotypa kai oi prosopikes phnelies toy ka8e paikth. Kapoies fores pisteyw oti o ale drinkin meat gallowin ill tempered soft hearted dwarf mporei na einai eksisou diaskedastikos oso kai leitourgikos mesa se mia istoria......

[MoRmEnGiL]

Ma to 8ema einai na paizeis ena xarakthra pou sou bgainei au8ormyta.. Kai se auto boh8aei ena well thought background.

Emena sxedon oloi oi nanoi pou epaiza htan paromoioi, alla htan oloi memorable giati mou erxete naturally na pai3w peistika ena nano.