Poso progressive einai to simerino progressive?

[Marillion]

To art rock twn 70s ouasiastika apotelese mia diexodo sigkrotimatwn gia peiramatismo kai gia na paei olh afth h mousikh parapera.Eilikrina poso prog einai shmerines bands opws Oi Flower h oi Spock's Beard gia paradeigma?(An anaferthume sto metal ta paradeigmata einai apeira).

Pistevw pws den einai kako na paizeis thn mousikh pou agapas,alla otan thn onomazeis proodeftikh otan flertareis toso entona me twn 70s hxo, alitheia poso mprosta eisai ?

Afta mh yponoontas oti ta 70s den megalourghsan.Mhn ksexname kai oti mathame pros theou dld.

Simera :

Stin telikh polles bands pou thn idiaiterotita tin exun sto aima tous , thavonte katw ap'tis prokatalhpseis twn syghronon proggers pou enw dilonoume anixtomialoi (kai tha eprepe na eimaste) eimaste pio kollhmenoi kai apo tipakia tipou Joey_Allen.(ok ypervfalw but you got the point).

Skefteite mono poses bands anagnoristikan meta tin dialysh tous.

Sygrothmata opws Dredg , Pure reason revolution , Mew , Muse , Coheed & Cambria , The Mars Volta , Cave in(meta jupiter epoxh ,xwris na meiwnw ta proigoumena) , Oceansize , Mansun (pou RIP by the way) , 3 , , Secret machines , Porcupine Tree + onomata taboo opws radiohead tha eprepe na anagnoristune gia tis protoporiakes h estw prototipes idees tus kai na apoktisune mia katholiki anagnwrish aptous simerinous opadous tou proodeftikou hxou.(an theoreite ipervolikes merikes epiloges mou , discuss)

Kai nai gia tin wra anaferomai endeiktika mono gia rock , kai oxi gia ton sklhrotero hxo.

Kales oi 9leptes sintheseis , kalh h texnikh katarthsh , kales kai oi megalepivoles stigmes megaleiou kai lyrismou....alla en eth 2007 mhpws prepei na eksyghronistoume re gamw?

Afta .... ekfraste tis apopseis sas epi tu thematos.

[rebelos]

nomizw pws oi Porcupine Tree, oi Mars Volta kai oi Cave In
exoun thn proodeutikothta twn 70's, kamia sxesh o hxos metaxy tous alla h mousikh tous panta se ekplhsei kai se synarpazei!

ti ennoeis omws na eksyxronistoume?

[Scrag]

Joey Allen wrote:

[Egw pantws perimenw akoma Marillion na mou postareis estw ena videaki apo kapion grunga h stonera ki8arista opwws ekana egw me tous asxetous poserades.Eyxaristw.

Muse loipon..kai Cave In progressive..kai egw kollhmenos..kalytera kollhmenos vrwmiarh para asxetos..synexise kai edw eimai...vgazeis trelo gelio...kai syntoma 8a laveis kai esy kai oi ypoloipoi thn apanthsh mou...syneixse psagmenoasxete na gelasoume..}

[Marillion]

Prospernw vlamenous me perikefalea kai apantaw ston rebelo.
Oi Rush efarmosan panta afto pou apokalw eksyghronismo stin mousikh tous.Paremeinan proodeftikoi kai ousiastikoi efarmozontas tis taseis tis ekastote epoxhs.

Ena prosfato paradeigma tou ti enow itan to album to gloria twn Disillusion.Akou poso newteristiko akougetai pragmatika.

[Scrag]

Ena prosfato paradeigma tou ti enow itan to album to gloria twn Disillusion.Akou poso newteristiko akougetai pragmatika.

Joey_Allen wrote:

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Exe xarh pou den einai diko mou to nick alliws 8a se evaza signature...synexise mh stamatas..newteristiko i paparia pou se pairnei o ypnos kai ta otinanai xwsidia sto gamo tou karagkiozh..synexise ]

[Marillion]

SKASE RE POUSTH EPITELOUS .

[rebelos]

aha!

mipos to shmerino post-rock exei parei thn thesh tou 70's prog?

autos o newterismos nomizw oti syxna brisketai se bades opws oi SHora, God Is An Astronaut ktl ktl

[Marillion]

aha!

mipos to shmerino post-rock exei parei thn thesh tou 70's prog?

autos o newterismos nomizw oti syxna brisketai se bades opws oi SHora, God Is An Astronaut ktl ktl

Polloi simfonoune me ayto.Egw pistevw oti opws kai sta 70s to prog rock eixe sub-genres (kraut rock,psychedelic,symphonic prog : asxetws an polla den onomazontan etsi mexri prosfatws,ostoso diafores yphrxane)etsi symvainei kai shmera.

Pantws den pistevw oti einai ena eidos pou oi proggers den apodexonte.To antitheto malista

[animae]

aha!

mipos to shmerino post-rock exei parei thn thesh tou 70's prog?

Δεν ξερω αν εχει παρει την θεση ή αν θελει να παρει την θεση του, αλλα δεν ειναι και κατι ιδιαιτερο, οσο τουλαχιστον ακουγεται. Δηλαδη πιστευω οτι εχει γινει παρα πολυς ντορος για ενα ειδος που δεν το αξιζει τοσο πολυ.

[Rush]

H katastash sto prog metal einai psilogamata. Pou8enades ginontai 8eoi paizontas oti paizan oi theater kai oi fates 10 xronia pisw.Apo thn allh kati flower kings kai spock's beard (ta frouta pou epebale o portnoys sta mid 90's) paizoun sympa8htika men,alla anamasoun eleeina tous yes kai genesis xanontas ka8e ennoia ths lekshs "proogeytikothta".Oi an8rwpoi retro 70's paizoun san to "stoner" ena prama apla antigrafoun ta proanafer8enta anti sabbath.KAti sygkrothmatares pou bghkan xa8hkan eite logw agnoias eite logw pure-ismou twn malakokablhdwn frogsters (depressive age,thought industry,the beyond kai para polla alla) pou 8elan (kai 8eloun) na akoun klonous.

To Gloria gamaei.Einai prog me olh thn ennoia ths lekshs kai afhste tous allous na akoun oxtabarioum

Ola ayta pou anefere o marillion einai swsta h shmerinh protash sthn proodeytikh mousikh.Sygkrothmata pou exoun tis swstes epirroes, alla psaxnoun poly ton hxo tous dhmiourgontas proswpikothta af'enos kai ananewnontas to eidos (xwris aparaithta ta idia na 8ewroun oti paizoun prog) apo thn allh.

[Marillion]

Rush dose ena info gia beyond kai thought industry giati exw agnoia plhrhs.

[Scrag]

Rush dose ena info gia beyond kai thought industry giati exw agnoia plhrhs.

Joey_Allen wrote:

[Anoigeis kai prog topik papatokefte...ante akou tpt Hole ekei kai tpt post rockies pou ta vaftizeis prog kai tpt otinanismous ala Disillusion kai mhn asxoleisai me prog...grunge tard...

[BURNIN AMBITION]

To art rock twn 70s ouasiastika apotelese mia diexodo sigkrotimatwn gia peiramatismo kai gia na paei olh afth h mousikh parapera.Eilikrina poso prog einai shmerines bands opws Oi Flower h oi Spock's Beard gia paradeigma?(An anaferthume sto metal ta paradeigmata einai apeira).

Pistevw pws den einai kako na paizeis thn mousikh pou agapas,alla otan thn onomazeis proodeftikh otan flertareis toso entona me twn 70s hxo, alitheia poso mprosta eisai ?

Afta mh yponoontas oti ta 70s den megalourghsan.Mhn ksexname kai oti mathame pros theou dld.

Simera :

Stin telikh polles bands pou thn idiaiterotita tin exun sto aima tous , thavonte katw ap'tis prokatalhpseis twn syghronon proggers pou enw dilonoume anixtomialoi (kai tha eprepe na eimaste) eimaste pio kollhmenoi kai apo tipakia tipou Joey_Allen.(ok ypervfalw but you got the point).

Skefteite mono poses bands anagnoristikan meta tin dialysh tous.

Sygrothmata opws Dredg , Pure reason revolution , Mew , Muse , Coheed & Cambria , The Mars Volta , Cave in(meta jupiter epoxh ,xwris na meiwnw ta proigoumena) , Oceansize , Mansun (pou RIP by the way) , 3 , , Secret machines , Porcupine Tree + onomata taboo opws radiohead tha eprepe na anagnoristune gia tis protoporiakes h estw prototipes idees tus kai na apoktisune mia katholiki anagnwrish aptous simerinous opadous tou proodeftikou hxou.(an theoreite ipervolikes merikes epiloges mou , discuss)

Kai nai gia tin wra anaferomai endeiktika mono gia rock , kai oxi gia ton sklhrotero hxo.

Kales oi 9leptes sintheseis , kalh h texnikh katarthsh , kales kai oi megalepivoles stigmes megaleiou kai lyrismou....alla en eth 2007 mhpws prepei na eksyghronistoume re gamw?

Afta .... ekfraste tis apopseis sas epi tu thematos.

trelos erotas oi mansun. ta 2 prota ta eixa latrepsei.trelos erotas. itan i moni mi metal banda pou eixa latrepsei.tora vevaia akouo skuladika.....


kai manowar
alla mansun polla pinks

[Vangelis]

Βασικα αυτο που σημερα θεωρειται progressive δεν νομιζω οτι εχει να κανει με τον ροκ η μεταλ χωρο. Δηλαδη αμα ρωτησεις καποιον τη μουσικη ακους και σου πει progressive δεν θα εννοει theater. Στο μεταλ δεν νομιζω οτι υπηρξε ποτε progressive απλα μονο crossover. Για μενα για να θεωρειται κατι prog πρεπει να ειναι prog για ολη τη μουσικη και οχι για ενα ειδος μονο (γιατι ετσι δεν ειναι prog). Δηλαδη λες οτι οι eloy η camel εκαναν κατι καινουριο γενικα στην μουσικη και οχι μονο μεσα στα ορια του ροκ. Επισης αν ενας μουσικος εχει "Prog" νοοτροποια, δηλαδη την ψαχνει, αναπτυσσει τον ηχο του κ.τ.λ. δεν σημαινει οτι σαν αποτελεσμα παιζει και προοδευτικη μουσικη.

[Lost_In_Cooperland]

τι λες μωρέ!!!

σου ακούγονται σαν παρθενογένεση οι κάμελ και οι ιλόι; υποθέτω πως όχι, οπότε κι αυτοί κροσόβερ ήταν, απλά στον χώρο του ροκ (με το δικό σου σκεπτικό πάντα).