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    Geia. exw mia aporia oson afora tous enisxutes kitharas.

    ean agorasw mia kampina 400watt tha xrhsimopoihtai olh h dunamh ths me mia kefalh 100 h 150 watt? proswpika mono gia mpasso exw dei kefalh panw apo 300watt....

    giati h marshall p.x. bgazei kefales twn 50watt?
    epishs mia kefalh twn 150 watt ean sundethei me duo kampines "moirazei" thn dunamh ths? kai sthn telikh to output mou panta tha einai oso ths kefalhs???

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    η δύναμη δεν μετριέται σε watt μίστερ.
    Η ερώτηση σου είναι περι ισχύος.

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    nice.

    kai pali. thelw na kanw proba me enan drummer kai thelw na parw enan dunato enisxuth. ti protinete?

    kai kapoios na eksigisei to susthma me tis kefales kai tis kampines plz

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    εξαρτάται από τα λεφτά σου.
    Τώρα όσον αφορά το αρχικό σου ερώτημα, ιδέα δεν έχω αλλά το λογικό μου φαίνεται είναι πως εφόσον ο τύπος για την ισχύ είναι P=I^2xR και εφόσον η σύνδεση κεφαλής - καμπίνας γίνεται σε θέσεις με διαφορετική αντίσταση, τότε η ισχύ που καταναλώνεις, δεν είναι στάνταρ η ισχύς της κεφαλής. Εξάλλου νομίζω οτι λογικότερο θα ήταν να μην χρησιμοποιούσες έτσι κι αλλιως την κεφαλή ή την καμπίνα στο τέρμα, για να μην σου σκάσουν η παραμορφώνουν τον ήχο.

    Τέσπα, απαντήστε γιατί μου δημιουργήθηκε και μένα η απορια.

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    to fortio twn hxeiwn, h antistash toys dhladh, den einai grammikh, opote aytos o typos den isxyei kai poly... gia paradeigma mporei ena woofer me onomastikh antistash 8ohm sto 1khz na katebainei sta 5ohm kai sta 8khz na anebainei sta 11 p.x.
    gi'ayto kai thn antistash toys den mporoyme na thn metrhsoyme me ena omometro e3aloy, giati se DC reyma poy dinei to polymetro gia na metrhsei einai akyro ayto poy metrame.

    An katalaba kala h apanthsh se ayto poy rwtaei o evarian einai to e3hs:
    h onomastikh isxys twn hxeiwn dixnei th megisth isxy poy mporoyn a dextoyn xwris na pa8oyn blabh (ypo8etika panta). Opote se enan enisxyth 100watt eite baleis kampina 200watt eite 300 einai peripoy to idio pragma.
    To poso dynata 8a pai3ei h kampina e3artate apo thn eyais8hsia ths, p.x. an mia kampina exei eyais8hsia 102dB 8a pai3ei pio dynata apo mia me eyais8hsia 96dB, me to idio volume ston enisxyth.
    Yparxei panta kai to tairiasma kampinas enisxyth, poy eidika stoys lampatoys paizei megalo rolo.
    oson afora toys enisxytes, opoiadhpote lampath kefalh paw apo 30watt exei arketh isxy gia na se kalypsei se ayto poy 8es. Diale3e me ta aytia soy kai oxi me ta watt! Kai na exeis yp'opshn oti enas enisxyths me lyxnies sta 100watt p.x. akoygetai poly pio dynata apo enan transistor sta 100watt, logo toy oti o lampatos bgazei armonikes ktl... h toylaxiston to an8rwpino ayti ton antilambanetai ws poly pio dynato!

    elpizw na kalypsa kapws tis apories soy. posa leyta dia8eteis gia enisxyth?
    gia opoiadhpote allh aporia grapse edw h steile PM an 8es.
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    basika to ti 8a diale3eis e3artate apo ti eidos moysikhs 8eleis na pai3eis, to ti akoygetai kalo sta aytia soy, kai to posa leyta dia8eteis.
    H marshall poy eipes, bgazei kefales 50watt giati diaforoys logoys, enas einai oti exoyn diaforetiko hxo, giati exoyn 2 lampwes ston teliko anti twn 4-arwn enos 100watt, me apotelesma na exoyn diaforetiko hxo, kai epishs mia lampath kefalh oso pio terma thn bazeism toso pio kala akoygetai, opote mia twn 50 watt an baleis to volume sto 5-6 einai hdh kapws tsitomenh kai mporeis na katseis dipla ths, enw se mia 100watt lampath sto 6 8a pesei to ktirio sto kefali soy! (me mia 4x12 kampina)

    kai pali, opws eipa prin, den 8eleis na xrhsimpoihseis to megisto mias kampinas, mhn thn diale3eis me watt, alla me to pws akoygetai. Apla prosexe na einai h kampina arketa watt panw apo thn kefalh, mhn baleis p.x. mia kampina 120watt mazi me mia kefalh 180 watt giati ta hxeia ths kampinas 8a kapsalistoyn molis thn dynamwseis.
    H akoystikh einai periergh, den einai fysikh, opote dialegeis me ta aytia soy kai oxi me ta texnika xarakthristika. mporei p.x. h kefalh A na akoygetai kala me thn kampina B, kai C me thn D, alla h A me thn D kai h C me thn B na akoygwnte metria.

    an syndeseis dyo kampines kata kapoio tropo moirazetai h isxys ths kefalhs, alla ayto den shmainei oti akoygetai pio xamhla, synh8ws to anti8eto!
    To output ths kefalhs exei metrh8ei me ena idaniko fortio (antistash), opote me diaforetika woofer 8a allazei kai h apodosh ths, kata poly!
    pantws synh8ws isxyei to oti plhrwneis perneis. synh8ws...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Good Son
    ... τότε η ισχύ που καταναλώνεις, δεν είναι στάνταρ η ισχύς της κεφαλής...
    H isxy poy katanalwnei enas enisxyths gia na enisxysei to xamhlo shma mias ki8aras se ena dynato hxo einai poly megalyterh apo thn isxy e3odoy ths. eidika enas lampatos enisxyths kaiei poly. p.x. gia na bgalei output 120watt mporei na katanalwnei 400watt h kai parapanw...
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    nice thnx jezuz.
    mporw na diathesw apo 300 mexri to polu 450 eurw. kai auto giati thelw mia kai kalh na parw enan kalo enisxuth gia na mporw na kanw kai proba.

    apo ekei kai pera skeftomaste tpt se tool theater kai tetoia na paiksoume siga siga.
    den psaxnw anagkastika kefalh kai kampina giati kai me ena gero combo fantazomai oti mporei na ginei kalh douleia.
    koitaksa behringer ibanez kai line6 diafora alla den kserw ti alles epiloges exw. filoi mou exoun pei na koitaksw kai gia peavey. no idea yet...

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    O Marshall AVT 100 einai isws mia kalh epilogh opws kai o Peavey Bandit 100. San combo de 8a einai kai h kaluterh epilogh gia prova, wstoso me th pros8hkh mias cabinoulas 8a exeis mia xara hxo.
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    Jezuz prepei na to exeis psaksei poly to thema re anthrope
    Believe in nothing...............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Third_EyE
    Jezuz prepei na to exeis psaksei poly to thema re anthrope
    nai ase exw kaei
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evarian
    nice thnx jezuz.
    mporw na diathesw apo 300 mexri to polu 450 eurw. kai auto giati thelw mia kai kalh na parw enan kalo enisxuth gia na mporw na kanw kai proba.

    apo ekei kai pera skeftomaste tpt se tool theater kai tetoia na paiksoume siga siga.
    den psaxnw anagkastika kefalh kai kampina giati kai me ena gero combo fantazomai oti mporei na ginei kalh douleia.
    koitaksa behringer ibanez kai line6 diafora alla den kserw ti alles epiloges exw. filoi mou exoun pei na koitaksw kai gia peavey. no idea yet...
    me 450 euro to poly perneis kati sto pio f8hno stack, h ena kaloytsiko combo, se transistor/digital panta.
    An 8eleis kai alles idees edw eimaste, pes ti skeftesai k ta leme.
    Pantws kai h Laney exei mia kaloytsikh f8hnh transistor kefalh poy bgazei gia metal.
    c ya!
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    gia dwse pio polles plhrofories se parakalw mhn me afhneis etsi ksemparko. kai otan les laney kai tetoia anaferese se times ths ellhnikhs agoras??? h tpt thomann kai musiciansfriend ???

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