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    Μακάριοι οι ΒουΠίτες γιατί αυτοί θα κληρονομήσουν τη Γη.
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    diavasa oti perissotero mporousa apo tis 6 selides alla epanalamvanotan h diaxwrish se takseis analoga me to poso pou amoivete o kathenas. ta lefta (xrmatata-mpikikinia-fraga) ston kapitalismo opws kai se ola ta oikonomika systhmata einai deutereuousa oikonomikh monada.

    as dieukrinisoume loipon apo thn arxh oti mia "taksikh" epanastash tha exei skopo thn allagh tou oikonomikou-politikou systhmatos.(h politikh exei apolyth sxesh me thn oikonomia kai antistrofa).

    mia taksi orizete apo thn thesh pou exei STHN PARAGWGH. diladi autos pou kathete kai paragei otidipote, eite mazevei kalampokia eite kathete sta ergostasia eite kathete kai paragei kwdika einai ERGATHS. einai ergaths kai enai antitheth h taksh tou apo tous astous giati oi astoi tha pairnoun thn paragwgh. diladi px kathete o mecropethamenos kai friaxnei to tade programma-sthnei to tade dyktio gia ton epixirimatia kai meta o allos pairnei to kerdos kai to opoiodhpote proion.

    tha mporouse enas ergaths na vgazei polla perissotera lefta apo enan mikroasto. ekei mpainoun kai alla dedomena opws thn aneidikeuth h mh ergasia, kai to poso "episitmonas" eisai.. diladi alliws tha plhrwthei o aneidikeutos kai alliws o tupos me gnwseis. autos einai enas SAFESTATOS diaxwrismos (o ellegxos h oxi ths paragwghs) twn taksewn..

    mia allh diafora. enas ergaths pou den exei ellegxo autwn pou paragei mporei ana pasa stigmh na apolythei, enw enas astos estw kai mikroastos einai sthn dikia tou douleia me diko tou kefalaio ktl. an einai na piasoume kai oles tis theseis tis ypalilikes panw katw exoun kapoio apo ta dyo stoixeia h to dieuthintiko (pou einai genika pio kontino sto astiko)...

    a nai. tha eimoun mallon sthn prwth grammh. kai mallon tha pethaina. logia tou aera e?
    poios eisai esy, poy irthes edw, se mas na kaneis plaka, ante spase re malaka.

    eisai zhmia den pairneis mia, alloy na pas gia traka, ante spase re malaka (spase, spase)

    vasika na poyme h megalh fash ginete sto ante spase re malaka, poly stixos etsi?

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    taksikos diaxwrismos einai kati pou to KKE anaferei poly perissotero apo opoiadipote allis aristeri parataksi. To KKE VLEPEI ton kosmo etsi, kai malista me entelws apolyto tropo.
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    vasika to kke einai yper ths laikhs symaxias.. den einai akrivws yper ths taksikhs kai mporw na vrw polla paradeigmata... me thn thesh oti kai oi kapitelistes mporoun na einai aristeroi kai me ergatikh synhdeish ktl..

    a vale kai thn synergasia me astika kommata se arketes periptwseis[/quote]
    poios eisai esy, poy irthes edw, se mas na kaneis plaka, ante spase re malaka.

    eisai zhmia den pairneis mia, alloy na pas gia traka, ante spase re malaka (spase, spase)

    vasika na poyme h megalh fash ginete sto ante spase re malaka, poly stixos etsi?

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    re oi diaxwrismoi oti kai na lete einai eudiakritoi .

    Oi pleiopshfia twn anthrwpwn (as pw ena authereto 70%) pou zoune ekalh , khfissia , b.p genikotera
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    Ο μαλάκας ο protonios μας γάμησε το τόπικ.
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    POU PIGE TO POST MOU?!?!?
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    protonios, τα μέσα παραγωγής είναι απολύτως ανάλογα με τα εισόδημα, έτσι δεν είναι;

    επίσης, λες ότι ο διαχωρισμός υπάρχει μόνο μεταξύ των επιχειρηματιών και των υπαλλήλων τους ανεξαρτήτως μεγέθους επιχείρησης και θέσης υπαλλήλου; δηλαδή, ότι αφ' ενός έχουμε τους επιχειρηματίες, ανεξαρτήτως μεγέθους, οι οποίοι είναι οι αστοί (μικροαστοί - μεγαλοαστοί, ανάλογα την επιχείρηση) και απ' την άλλη τους υπαλλήλους τους που σύσσωμοι αποτελούν την εργατική τάξη;

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    Safos kai yparxoun koinonikes takseis, oxi mono gia to KKE alla kai gia ola ta kommata. Diladi DUH, einai dinaton logikos anthropos aneksartitos politikis topothetisis na mi vlepei ti diafora anamesa sti zoi enos agroti, enos alvanou ergati ai enos mesoastou athinaiou??

    Afto pou alazei einai to poso efkola mporei kaneis na alaksei koinoniki taksi. Sta kathestota pou mporeis na alakseis efkola koinoniki taksi, i pou exoun diafimistei os tetoia (opos oi IPA) den yparxoun megales taksikes sigrouseis giati an den sou aresei i koinoniki sou taksi, tin alazeis (theoritika afto isxyei stis ipa). Sta kathestota pou einai adinati i metapidisi se ypsiloteri taksi, i pali ton takseon ginetai pio entoni kai aisthiti.

    I aristera ypostirizei oti oi takseis prepei na eksisoropithoun oste na min eksartatai i epiviosi sou kai i euimeria sou apo to an tha alakseis koinoniki taksi. I kentroaristera (sosialodimokratia, opos sti souidia) pistevei oti afti i eksisoropisi prepei na ginei irinika, eno i akroaristera (oi komounistes) pistevei oti afti i eksisoropisi prepei na ginei viaia meso epanastasis.

    I deksia ypostirizei oti oi takseis den xreiazetai na eksisoropithoun, arkei na yparxoun oi mixanismoi oste na mporeis na alakseis koinoniki taksi, an to aksizeis kai eisai diatethimenos na doulepseis


    edit: parte kai poly proxeira pos vlepoun tin pali ton takseon orismenes kentrikes ideologies


    social democrat (PASOK, SDP): Oi koinonikes takseis prepei na isoropithoun stadiaka kai eirinika

    market liberal (liberal democrats tis agglias, fileleftheri pteryga tis nd): oi koinonikes takseis den xreiazetai na eksisoropithoun, arkei i agora na epitrepei tin metavasi apo mia koinoniki taksi se alli.

    Social Liberal (labour party agglias): Oi koinonikes takseis prepei na eksisoropithoun, xoris omos megali epemvasi stin dianomi tou eisodimatos kai tin leitourgia tis agoras.

    social conservative (Republicans, laiko komati ND): Oi koinonikes takseis den xreiazetai na eksisoropithoun, arkei oi isxires koinonikes takseis na voithoun tis ligotero isxires

    left wing radicals (SYN, KKE): Oi koinonikes takseis prepei na eksisothoun amesa me opoiodipote meso.

    right wing radicals (kathe logis fasistakia): Oi koinonikes takseis prepei na enothoun gia tin proothisi tis ethnikis ideas. Oi ftoxoi prepei na min niazontai pou einai ftoxoi, kai na ipoferoun sto vomo tou ethnous. Oi Plousioi prepei na min paraponountai otan to kratos tous dimevei tis periousies sto vomo tou ethnous


    Genikotera den nomizo oti yparxei politiki parataksi pou den pistevei stis koinonikes takseis.
    Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.
    J. M. Keynes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katwrimos
    Safos kai yparxoun koinonikes takseis, oxi mono gia to KKE alla kai gia ola ta kommata. Diladi DUH, einai dinaton logikos anthropos aneksartitos politikis topothetisis na mi vlepei ti diafora anamesa sti zoi enos agroti, enos alvanou ergati ai enos mesoastou athinaiou??
    fysika kai vlepeis diafores alla gia na xwriseis strwmata me vasi ti zwi tous prepei aftes oi diafores na einai idies gia ola ta atoma pou entassontai sto synolo "agrotes" px kai EPISIS i katastasi tous na einai statheri.

    to na les oti metapida kaneis apo mia taksi se mia alli proypothetei na exeis ena entelws sygkekrimeno montelo sto kefali sou (i.e. i tade taksi kymainetai apo eisodimata tade ws tade) kai fysika opoiadipote syzitisi gia to poia taksi tha eprepe na epanastatisei ginetai akomi pio tourloumpouki.
    Otan megalwsw tha ginw vasilias
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    Quote Originally Posted by house_of_low_culture

    hahahhaha ok ok to voulwnw
    Otan megalwsw tha ginw vasilias
    Tha exw to xaremi mou sto kentro tis spilias
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    b.t.w. -> mia fora gamhsa exwntas sto repeat ena solaki tou
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    υπάρχει διαχωρισμός.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solo Carriera
    protonios, τα μέσα παραγωγής είναι απολύτως ανάλογα με τα εισόδημα, έτσι δεν είναι;

    επίσης, λες ότι ο διαχωρισμός υπάρχει μόνο μεταξύ των επιχειρηματιών και των υπαλλήλων τους ανεξαρτήτως μεγέθους επιχείρησης και θέσης υπαλλήλου; δηλαδή, ότι αφ' ενός έχουμε τους επιχειρηματίες, ανεξαρτήτως μεγέθους, οι οποίοι είναι οι αστοί (μικροαστοί - μεγαλοαστοί, ανάλογα την επιχείρηση) και απ' την άλλη τους υπαλλήλους τους που σύσσωμοι αποτελούν την εργατική τάξη;
    xmm oxi akrivws me to eisodima.. tha mporouse kapoios na exei lefta kai na mhn ta xrhsimopoiei gia na paragei kati, kai tha mporouse kapoios na exei daneistei trela kai na plhrwnei wste na katexei ta mesa paragwghs.. episis tha mporouse kapoios na exei mia mikrh etairia me 3 ypalhllous kai na mhn vgazei tosa oso o chief analyths ths microsoft (diladi sigoura den tha vgazei) pou einai ypallhlos (kala mporei kai metoxos katalaves pantws ti ennow).

    sigoura ginete diaxwrismos anamesa stis takseis, alla ta xaraktiristika stoixeia kathe takshs einai koina se oloklhrh thn taksh. diladi as poume oloi oi ergates paragoun yperaksia kai oloi oi astoi karpwnontai yperaksia. diladi thewritika tha mporouse kapoios apla na valei allous na doulevoun kai na kathete kai na plhrwnete. diladi enw den paragei tipota karponete thn paragwgh twn allwn..

    ok an einai etsi tha prospathisw na to ftiaksw (pitsfitilis)


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    poios eisai esy, poy irthes edw, se mas na kaneis plaka, ante spase re malaka.

    eisai zhmia den pairneis mia, alloy na pas gia traka, ante spase re malaka (spase, spase)

    vasika na poyme h megalh fash ginete sto ante spase re malaka, poly stixos etsi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by katwrimos
    Afto pou alazei einai to poso efkola mporei kaneis na alaksei koinoniki taksi. Sta kathestota pou mporeis na alakseis efkola koinoniki taksi, i pou exoun diafimistei os tetoia (opos oi IPA) den yparxoun megales taksikes sigrouseis giati an den sou aresei i koinoniki sou taksi, tin alazeis (theoritika afto isxyei stis ipa). Sta kathestota pou einai adinati i metapidisi se ypsiloteri taksi, i pali ton takseon ginetai pio entoni kai aisthiti.


    den exw dei pollous astegous na ginontai proedroi ths general motors oute sthn amerikh.

    I aristera ypostirizei oti oi takseis prepei na eksisoropithoun oste na min eksartatai i epiviosi sou kai i euimeria sou apo to an tha alakseis koinoniki taksi. I kentroaristera (sosialodimokratia, opos sti souidia) pistevei oti afti i eksisoropisi prepei na ginei irinika, eno i akroaristera (oi komounistes) pistevei oti afti i eksisoropisi prepei na ginei viaia meso epanastasis.
    vasika sthn aristera se oses taseis kserw egw leei oti DEN PREPEI NA YPARXOUN TAKSEIS(auto einai kommounismos-ataksikh koinwnia). kai mexri na ginei auto tha einai to stadio tou sosialismou pou tha epivalei h ergatikh taksh thn thesh ths sthn astikh. (mhn arxisei kaneis pali me ton uparkto anyparkto sosialismo einai vareth syzhthsh)
    h kentroaristera den kserw kata poso yfistate, einai megalh syzhthsh..genika to kentro.. tespa, h sosialdimokratia loipon einai yper enos kalyterou kapitalismou, xwris auto na eksiswnei tis takseis (den leei pouthena kati tetoio katwrime kai fere osa kommatia ths 2hs diethnous theleis..) milaei gia perissoteres paroxes (filanthrwpies) sta adynata strwmata
    twra auto pou eipes gia thn palh twn taksewn... astanapane einai megalh syzthths gia to ti einai h palh twn taksewn kai den einai toso apla oso to etheses.. tha elega einai mia anafora se ena meros ths analyshs tou kathena. kai den einai kai swsth
    gia pasok sou pa hdh
    gia nd. paroxes gia anaptyksh ths paragwghs. se kapitalistikh kateuthinsh. auto an diavaseis ta vasika apo pollous oikonomologous apla shmainei anoigma ths psalidas anamesa sta strwmata

    episis yparxoun kai diafores taseis stous fassistes.. auto pou eipes gia tous ftwxous einai swsto. alla analoga me thn efarmogh einai eite yper ths akraths anaptykshs twn etairiwn eite me thn dhmeush. vlepe nazistikh germania kai antitheta fassistikh italia

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    ps1 please mhn les ton synaspismo radical left.. einai reformed left
    an o synaspismos einai radical left tote to pasok einai yperepanastates kai den to eixa parathrhsei
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    o synaspismos den kserei an einai aristera (estw kai reforme) h sosialdhmokratia (estw kai aristerh). exei taseis.
    ps3 (portable) no passaran
    poios eisai esy, poy irthes edw, se mas na kaneis plaka, ante spase re malaka.

    eisai zhmia den pairneis mia, alloy na pas gia traka, ante spase re malaka (spase, spase)

    vasika na poyme h megalh fash ginete sto ante spase re malaka, poly stixos etsi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by katwrimos
    Afto pou alazei einai to poso efkola mporei kaneis na alaksei koinoniki taksi. Sta kathestota pou mporeis na alakseis efkola koinoniki taksi, i pou exoun diafimistei os tetoia (opos oi IPA) den yparxoun megales taksikes sigrouseis giati an den sou aresei i koinoniki sou taksi, tin alazeis (theoritika afto isxyei stis ipa). Sta kathestota pou einai adinati i metapidisi se ypsiloteri taksi, i pali ton takseon ginetai pio entoni kai aisthiti.


    den exw dei pollous astegous na ginontai proedroi ths general motors oute sthn amerikh.
    eisai gkavos i ilithios? To katestisa safes oti oi IPA exoun DIAFIMISTEI os tetoia xora, oxi oti einai stin pragmatikotita.




    vasika sthn aristera se oses taseis kserw egw leei oti DEN PREPEI NA YPARXOUN TAKSEIS(auto einai kommounismos-ataksikh koinwnia). kai mexri na ginei auto tha einai to stadio tou sosialismou pou tha epivalei h ergatikh taksh thn thesh ths sthn astikh. (mhn arxisei kaneis pali me ton uparkto anyparkto sosialismo einai vareth syzhthsh)
    An diavazes to post mou prosektika tha katalavenes oti otan leo aristera den enoo ton hard-line komounismo alla left wing koinovouleftika kommata opos o synaspismos kai to KKE. Afta pou grafeis einai sosta alla asxeta me to post mou. Episis apo pote ston kommounismo den yparxoun takseis? Yparxoun ergates, yparxoun agrotes, yparxoun dimisioi ypaliloi kai apola. Aplos i mia taksi den zei eis varos tis allis. I moni taksi pou den yparxei ston komounismo einai i astiki.


    h kentroaristera den kserw kata poso yfistate, einai megalh syzhthsh..genika to kentro.. tespa, h sosialdimokratia loipon einai yper enos kalyterou kapitalismou,.
    Epidi zo ston ORISMO tis sosialdimokratias oxi, afto pou les den isxyei. Sosialdimokratia den simainei kalitero kapitalismo, ektos an theoreis ena sistima pou to 60% tou aep apoteleitai apo dimosies ependiseis kai to 70% ton sinalagon ton politon ginetai me state-owned companies kapitalistiko.

    xwris auto na eksiswnei tis takseis (den leei pouthena kati tetoio katwrime kai fere osa kommatia ths 2hs diethnous theleis..) milaei gia perissoteres paroxes (filanthrwpies) sta adynata strwmata
    O stoxos tou Social democrat party tis souidias einai se eleftheri metafrasi "I aponomi tis koinonikis dikaiosinis me tin ennoia tis eksisoropisis ton takseon kai tis eksalipsis ton diaforon sta eisodimata".




    astanapane einai megalh syzthths gia to ti einai h palh twn taksewn kai den einai toso apla oso to etheses.. tha elega einai mia anafora se ena meros ths analyshs tou kathena. kai den einai kai swsth
    gia pasok sou pa hdh
    gia nd. paroxes gia anaptyksh ths paragwghs. se kapitalistikh kateuthinsh. auto an diavaseis ta vasika apo pollous oikonomologous apla shmainei anoigma ths psalidas anamesa sta strwmata
    yeah edo exeis dikio, den eipa oti einai aplo.

    Afta peri pasok kai nd den ta polykatalavaino, pantos to pasok den einai oute social democrat oute social liberal, malon syndiazei kai tis dio taseis. Episis kai i nd sindiazei ta stoixeia social concervative kai market liberal taseon. Aftos o sindiasmos taseon einai elliniko kyrios fainomeno, sto eksoteriko ta komata anoikoun kata kanona se MIA katigoria, px stin agglia: Conservative Party - social concervatives, liberal democrats - market liberals kai labour party - social liberals.



    episis yparxoun kai diafores taseis stous fassistes.. auto pou eipes gia tous ftwxous einai swsto. alla analoga me thn efarmogh einai eite yper ths akraths anaptykshs twn etairiwn eite me thn dhmeush. vlepe nazistikh germania kai antitheta fassistikh italia
    Sto proigoumeno post afisa eskemena ektos tous hard line kommounistes kai tous hard line nazistes. Pantos sosto einai to parapano


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    ps1 please mhn les ton synaspismo radical left.. einai reformed left
    an o synaspismos einai radical left tote to pasok einai yperepanastates kai den to eixa parathrhsei
    radical left = rizospastiki aristera (rota ena metafrasti an den me pisteveis)

    syn = synaspismos tis rizospastikis aristeras

    i rest my case



    ps2
    o synaspismos den kserei an einai aristera (estw kai reforme) h sosialdhmokratia (estw kai aristerh). exei taseis.
    I sosialdimokratia einai aristera. I sovari sosialdimokratia e, oxi to pasok

    Safos o syn einai aristera. Hello!! SYNASPISMOS TIS RIZOSPASTIKIS ARISTERAS. DUH
    Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.
    J. M. Keynes.

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