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An katalavaino kala, enoeis oti o kakos papas apotelei meros enos genikoterou sinolou, ara den prepei na satirizo tous kakous papades gia na min prosvalo to sinolo ton Iereon, sosta? An enoeis kati allo, mporeis na mou to eksigiseisDen exw allo tropo na sou ekshghsw kapoia pragmata. Mou epanalamvaneis ta idia kai ta idia. O iereas einai prwta ena sxhma kai meta ena atomo. An ayto den to katalavaineis, paw paso.
An omos katalava kala, tha sou eksigiso to eksis: Opos o papas einai prota ena sxima kai meta ena atomo, etsi kai o kommounistis stratiotis einai prota ena sxima (apotelei melos tou stratou pou filodoksei na apeleftherosei ton kosmo apo tin ekmetalefsi) kai meta ena atomo. Opos ston xristianismo yparxoun kalloi papades (opos o Makarios) kai kakoi papades (opos o pederastis papas), etsi kai ston komounismo yparxoun kaloi stratiotes (opos o tse, i roza luxemburg, etc) kai kakoi stratiotes (opos o kinezos pou varaei foitites stin tien an men). Tha mporousa loipon ego na sou afereso to dikaioma na satirizeis tous kakous kommounistes stratiotes, epidi apoteloun tmima enos genikoterou sinolou??
Signomi alla pali faskeis kai antifaskeis. Ti mia zitas apo tous moderators na me logokrinoun, tin alli mou les oti exo to dikaioma na satirizo me opoio tropo thelo. Apofasise ti akrivos pisteveis kai ta ksanaleme.Mporeis na kataggeleis tous paiderastes pappades oso theleis. An prepei na to kaneis vlasfhmwntas kai se iera sxhmata, exeis to dikaiwma.Egw o skotadisths tha protimousa na mhn to ekanes etsi. Alla paw paso.
Prospatheis na mou epivlitheis emmesa kai amesa.Se parakalw omws ekshghse mou pote phga na sou epivlithw. Aposyrontas to sxolio peri moderators (apo prin kiolas), se poio shmeio eniwses na sou lew "aposyre tis or else". To monadiko or else pou yparxei einai na aisthanthw ton mh sevasmo sou, pou hdh ton paramerises xarin ths eleftherias tou typou. Synepws den sou kaigetai karfaki gia ayto to or else. H epivolh mou poia einai?
Amesa zitontas na logokritho. To oti to pires piso sto anagnorizo alla apo ti mia to pires piso katopin eortis (otan ego to eixa dei idi) kai apo tin alli, pos perimeneis na katanoiso tis apopseis sou otan tis allazeis kathe dio posts? I theleis logokrisia i den theleis. To na katalaveis to lathos sou kai na aposyreis to sxolio peri logokrisias safos se tima, alla apo tin alli ela sti thesi mou. Poso efkolo einai nomizeis na katalavo tis apopseis enos atomou pou ti mia zitaei na logokrithei to post mou kai tin alli to pairnei piso??
Sou eipa, to oti katanoeis to lathos sou se timaei. Apo tin alli omos, den mporeis na me katigoreis oti den se katalavaino, i oti adiaforo na se katalavo. Afto giati einai adynato na katalaveis kapoion pou postarei antifatika sxolia. An ego ti mia postariza "logokrinete tous exthrous tou komounismou" kai tin alli "oi exthroi tou komounismou exoun dikaioma stin kritiki" tha mporouses esy na katalaveis tis apopseis mou?H erwthsh sou pantws gia to ti einai anwterh empiptei sto erwthma tou Phoebus. Sxetikismos. Pisteva oti den xreiazetai na ftasoume ekei. Oxi. To diko sou dikaiwma einai eksisou varyshmanto me to diko sou. Leitourgousa under the premise oti stenoxwrithika pio poly apo oti esy an h sygkekrimenh eikona den empaine. Ekana lathos kai paw paso. Ase tis ekei an se xalaei toso na fygoun. Eilikrina. Den tha tis ksanadw mprosta mou.
Den einai oute iper sou, oute yper mou. Apodikneioun apla mia pragmatikotita pou ki esy tin paradexesai. Oti akrivos ta idia esthimata pou trefeis esy gia ti thriskeia sou, mporei na trefei kai enas kommounistis gia tin ideologia tou. Opos ki esy anagnorizeis , me ton idio tropo pou agapas esy ton xristo, agapaei enas kouvanos ton Tse. Mporoume omos na logokrinoume kapoion pou thelei na satirisei ton xristo i ton tse? Den nomizo. Poso malon otan i satira mou den apefthinotan sto xristo, alla se enan pederasti papa.To paradeigma sou me tous Kouvanous kai tous Kinezous profanws einai yper mou an den to katalaves omws. Dioti o Tse kai o Mao Tse Toung exoun yperypswthei twn atomwn pou antiproswpeyoun mia ideologia kai exoun mpei sto status tou patera, sxedon tou theikou
Exm? Diavase perissotera sxetika me ton tse. Me ton idio AKRIVOS tropo pou thisiastike o xristos gia ti sotiria tou kosmou, thisiastike kai o tse.O Tse kai o Mao Tse einai ideologia, den einai oi pateres/swthres.
Exeis kathe dikaioma na ton theoreis malaka. Ego pou eida tis geloiografies kai tis vrika eustoxes ton theoro kalo geloiografo. Oi mousoulmanoi pou prosvalontai, mporoun aplos na min agorasoun tin efimerida.Oso gia thn diafora krishs kai logokrisias, pou eides na kanw kati diaforetiko? Malaka ton eipa kai oti eprepe na dialeksei allo tropo na perasei to mhnyma tou pou den xtypaei sto thriskeytiko synaisthima.
Oxi, alla Skotadisti den se eipa gia tin eklisi se mena, se eipa gia tin ekklisi stous mods. Episis an diavaseis to post mou tha deis oti den grafo "kake vic eisai skotadistis", grafo "etsi vgainei to onoma stous xristianous oti einai skotadistes", pragma pou simainei oti polles fores xristianoi opos esy, drontas kato apo thlipsi i fanatismo, i orgi, provainoun se akraies energeies (px logokrisia, kapsimo vivlion). Epidi poloi ligoi anagnorizoun to lathos tous (esy apoteleis ekseresi) vgainei to onoma.Egw pistevw oti se ayta ta themata, otan apo monos sou deixneis sevasmo mporeis na exeis kai thn pita oloklhrh kai ton skylo xortato. Apparently not. Otan sou valw to pistoli ston krotafo na vgaleis tis eikones, pes me skotadisth. Ekklhsh einai, oxi apaithsh. Diafwneis?
Oxi, se afto to zitima simfonoume, afou stin anagnorizeis se emena kai ton Dano na epilegoume monoi mas ton tropo ekfrasis mas.Apo ta tria pou me rwtas epithymw ta 2. Eleftheria tou typou kai thn aytologokrisia. Thewrw oti kai ta 2 synyparxoun, giati to na skefteis kai na apofasiseis ti tha postareis den to thewrw katapathsh ths eleftherias sou. Clear enough 'h eimai skotadisths?
Afto den mporeis na to ksereis. O kathe anthropos theorei Iera kai osia diaforetika pragmata. Opos esy theoreis to xristo, polloi dimosiografoi theoroun Ieri kai Osia tin eleftheria tous na vlasfimoun.Ta Iera kai osia ta dika sou kai tou danou an den kanw lathos den prosvlithikan.
Afti tin aporia exo ki ego. Logika nai, ektos an exei kseminei kanenas fasistikos nomos apo tin epoxi tou metaksa.. Ayta ta 2 sygkekrimena skitsa, epitrepetai na dhmosieythoun sthn Ellada?
Apo pou ki os pou ekprosopeis tous xristianous? To oti i eikona einai prosvoli gia esena den simainei oti einai prosvoli gia tous xristianous genikotera. Ksero pollous, ma para pollous xristianous pou oxi mono den prosvlithikan, alla gelasan kiolas me ti geloiografia tou filou mou.Anideo kai afelh den se lew giati den symfwneis mazi mou. Giati den gnwrizeis oti einai prosvolh gia enan xristiano h eikona pou evales.
Safos, kai pote den se katigorisa gia kati tetoio. Oson afora to an exo alous tropous na stiliteuso tous pederastes papades, nomizeis oti einai dyskolo na vretoun? Omos eimai eleftheros na epilekso ton tropo pou tha kano kritiki kai na kritho ek ton isteron.Gkempels me eipes epeidh thelw na afairesw to point sou apo thn syzhthsh. ALitheia, mono ayton ton tropo exeis sth diathesh sou na stiliteyseis tous paiderastes pappades? Enan tropo pou den prosvallei to thriskeytiko mou synaisthima? An ontws sou elega "mhn akousw gia pappades pou viazoun paidia, den pianoume tous pappades sto stoma mas!" tha eixes apolyto dikio. Exeis katalavei toulaxiston oti den lew ayto?
Den tha alakso ton tropo pou postaro. Opoiosdipote epilegei tha mporei na diavasei ta vlasfima posts mou, kai opoiosdipote prosvaletai na ta parakampsei. Opos enas skinothetis pou girizei mia tainia me viaiotites kai vazei mia proeidopoihsi, den logokrinei ton eafto tou, apla dinei ston theati to dikaioma na epileksei an tha dei tin tainia i oxi.Gia thn teleytaia protash sou, kane ayto pou niwtheis esy kalytero. Tha ithela na mporousa na diavazw aytousia ta posts sou xwris na yparxei zhthma prosvolhs alla efoson ayto den ginetai, einai ki ayto mia lysh. Esy pws vlepeis to gegonos oti tha allakseis ton tropo pou postareis gia na ikanopoihseis enan skotadisth omws?
Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.
J. M. Keynes.
Νταβατζιλίκια είναι οι επίσημες αντιδράσεις των μουσουλμανικών κρατών, οργανώσεων και λοιπά που απαιτούν από την Δανία να μην επιτρέπει τέτοιου είδους δημοσιεύσεις. Imo θα έπρεπε να κρατήσουν πολύ πιο μετριοπαθή στάση και να το βουλώσουνε, από τη στιγμή άλλωστε που η ίδια η εφημερίδα απολογήθηκε.Originally Posted by VirusXI
πω, δεν κρίνω τις αντιδράσεις αυτή τη στιγμή.Originally Posted by VirusXI
λέω απλά, η κριτική που προκαλεί αντιδράσεις είναι και η πιο εύστοχη, λογικό δεν είναι; αλλιώς, αν ήταν ανώδυνη, δεν θα προκαλούσε τέτοιες, έτσι δεν είναι;
ναι.
Oxi. Teleytaia prospatheia. To sxhma tou ierea einai iero. Eyloghmeno apo to Ag. Pnevma. Den exei shmasia pia omws. Nomizw oti to exoume eksantlhsei kai efoson den dexesai proswpika thn ierothta ayth panw apo thn ierothta enos komounisth stratiwth (dekton btw, ek twn pragmatwn pistevw oti den isxyei ayto alla paso) den exw logo na to xrhsimopoiw san epixeirhma.Originally Posted by katwrimos
Parenthesi. O Makarios mporei na htan enas kalos politikos (pou gia mena den htan oute me sfaires alla asxeto), kalos iereas den htan. Ayto me thn proypothesh oti krinoume ton kalo ierea san ayton pou yphretei thn ekklhsia opws prepei (opou ekklhsia me ton orismo tou Ap. Pavlou). O Makarios htan politikos. Ayto apo mono tou einai tragiko. Pio poly de dioti pathse panw sthn idiothta ayth gia na ferei ton kosmo me to meros tou. Antistoixa o Xristodoulos einai tragikos ierarxhs. Mporei an ekline pros thn dikh sou ideologia kai oi prakseis tou htan arestes apo ton kosmo na htan "kalos" papas", gia thn ekklhsia pantws den einai (ypenthymizw oti me ton oro ekklhsia den ennow thn dioikhsh kai tous organwmenous opadous ths).meta ena atomo. Opos ston xristianismo yparxoun kalloi papades (opos o Makarios) kai kakoi papades (opos o pederastis papas),
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Signomi alla pali faskeis kai antifaskeis. Ti mia zitas apo tous moderators na me logokrinoun, tin alli mou les oti exo to dikaioma na satirizo me opoio tropo thelo. Apofasise ti akrivos pisteveis kai ta ksanaleme.Mporeis na kataggeleis tous paiderastes pappades oso theleis. An prepei na to kaneis vlasfhmwntas kai se iera sxhmata, exeis to dikaiwma.Egw o skotadisths tha protimousa na mhn to ekanes etsi. Alla paw paso.
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Den kserw an to kaneis epithdes, pantws exw ksekatharisei apo to deytero post mou oti den to zhtaw ayto Apo thn arxh to paranohses. To "yponooumeno" htan oti oi moderators tha krinoun an prepei na meinoun ta skitsa. Ayto phgaine sto oti den krinw egw, egw kanw gnwsto oti me prosvalloun. Kakista enedwsa sthn kathgoria sou, thelontas na proxwrhsoume parakatw gia na sou pw oti to zhtaw apo esena, giati ekei patas twra. Alla estw, as poume oti h antifash yphrxe mexri kai to deytero post mou. Tosa post meta, na mou ferneis ws epixeirhma oti akoma den exeis katalavei ti zhtaw otan sto exw pei efthews kai ksekathara, dyskoleyomai na pistepsw oti den to kaneis ek tou ponhrou gia na yperaspisteis to point sou.
To oti sou exw anagnwrisei to dikaiwma na satirizeis oti theleis kai opws theleis sto exw dwsei apo to prwto post. Exei prhstei to xeri mou na grafw oti prosvlithika apo ton tropo pou eksaskhses to dikaiwma sou. Synepws, an mperdeythkes ep'aytou den eythynomai egw, exw hdh dwsei arketes fores ti ennow logokrisia.
An theleis parenthesi kathe fora pou xrhsimopoiw thn leksh na epivevaiwnw to ayto, einai megalos mpelas gia mena...
AKYRO. Akoma kai an dextw oti to zhthsa apo tous moderators (pou poly kakws to dexthka telika...), apo to deytero post kai meta eisai pantelws akyros. Poso mallon otan exw ksekatharisei ekato fores ti ennow logokrisia (pou sou arese kiolas).Prospatheis na mou epivlitheis emmesa kai amesa.
Amesa zitontas na logokritho.
Einai tragiko omws na patas se ayto synexws e? Mou ekanes kai eytheies erwthseis kai phres kai eytheies apanthseis. 'H oxi? Meta apo kathe post mou ypotithetai to epianes ayto. Mhpws prepei aplws na paradexteis oti oudepote prospathisa na sou epivlithw? Toulaxiston ayto den prepei? ESTW, apo to deytero post kai meta den yphrxe thema oti sou epivallw thn apopsh mou?To oti to pires piso sto anagnorizo alla apo ti mia to pires piso katopin eortis (otan ego to eixa dei idi) kai apo tin alli, pos perimeneis na katanoiso tis apopseis sou otan tis allazeis kathe dio posts? I theleis logokrisia i den theleis. To na katalaveis to lathos sou kai na aposyreis to sxolio peri logokrisias safos se tima, alla apo tin alli ela sti thesi mou. Poso efkolo einai nomizeis na katalavo tis apopseis enos atomou pou ti mia zitaei na logokrithei to post mou kai tin alli to pairnei piso??
To emmesa akoma den to ekshghses. Elpizw na mhn ennoeis oti prospathisa na sou dhmiourghsw enoxes. An sou dhmiourgithikan aytes tis dhmiourgei h syneidhsh sou, egw den eipa psemmata gia tis prokalesw pantws. Kai exeis hdh pei oti pote den eixes enoxes, opote akoma perimenw thn emmesh epivolh pou sou ekana...
Sou eipa, to oti katanoeis to lathos sou se timaei. Apo tin alli omos, den mporeis na me katigoreis oti den se katalavaino, i oti adiaforo na se katalavo. Afto giati einai adynato na katalaveis kapoion pou postarei antifatika sxolia. An ego ti mia postariza "logokrinete tous exthrous tou komounismou" kai tin alli "oi exthroi tou komounismou exoun dikaioma stin kritiki" tha mporouses esy na katalaveis tis apopseis mou?[quote:uebj5zcp]H erwthsh sou pantws gia to ti einai anwterh empiptei sto erwthma tou Phoebus. Sxetikismos. Pisteva oti den xreiazetai na ftasoume ekei. Oxi. To diko sou dikaiwma einai eksisou varyshmanto me to diko sou. Leitourgousa under the premise oti stenoxwrithika pio poly apo oti esy an h sygkekrimenh eikona den empaine. Ekana lathos kai paw paso. Ase tis ekei an se xalaei toso na fygoun. Eilikrina. Den tha tis ksanadw mprosta mou.
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Malista. Mia protroph. Diavase olo ayto to kommati exontas thn epignwsh oti einai dhlwsh paraithshs. Makes more sense now? "H eirhnh einai spoudaiwtera ths dikaiosynhs". Ayth einai h arxh pou akolouthw genikotera, kai eidikotera ston metaksy mas dialogo oso proxwraei. An ontws stenoxwriosoun oso egw an den postares thn eikona, tote nai, anagnwrizw to lathos mou. Akoma den me exeis peisei gia kati tetoio an theleis na ksereis pragmatika, alla who knows? Den yparxei tropos na mathw, para mono an se gnwrisw apo konta, kanoume parea kai mathw ti atomo eisai. Ti na pw? Gia na apofygw olh thn adieksodh syzhthsh pali kai to provlhma tou sxetikismou pou periegrapse o Phoebus, paw paso kai sou dinw dikio. Dexomai to epixeirhma sou oti h prosvolh tou na mhn valeis se ayto to thread to skitso tha sou epiane thn kardia opws emena pou to eida. To ksekatharizw dioti isws na mhn me timaei opws pisteveis.
ksekatharizontas ena meros ths syzhthshs as mhn paremvalloume pragmata pou exoume ksekatharisei allou, ksana apo thn arxh. Kaneis den milaei gia to dikaiwma sthn satira. To exoume pei ayto etsi? Pio prin to katalavaines, ti mou to les pali? Gia ton tropo satiras milame kai an ypervainei oria xarin sevasmou ston allo. Alla estw. Oxi pali apo thn arxh.Den einai oute iper sou, oute yper mou. Apodikneioun apla mia pragmatikotita pou ki esy tin paradexesai. Oti akrivos ta idia esthimata pou trefeis esy gia ti thriskeia sou, mporei na trefei kai enas kommounistis gia tin ideologia tou. Opos ki esy anagnorizeis , me ton idio tropo pou agapas esy ton xristo, agapaei enas kouvanos ton Tse. Mporoume omos na logokrinoume kapoion pou thelei na satirisei ton xristo i ton tse? Den nomizo. Poso malon otan i satira mou den apefthinotan sto xristo, alla se enan pederasti papa.
Exm? Diavase perissotera sxetika me ton tse. Me ton idio AKRIVOS tropo pou thisiastike o xristos gia ti sotiria tou kosmou, thisiastike kai o tse.[quote:uebj5zcp] O Tse kai o Mao Tse einai ideologia, den einai oi pateres/swthres.
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A. Htan eirwniko to sxolio mou, mallon den eprepe na to valw giati se mperdepse.
B. Exw diavasei thn viografia tou Tse kai parolo pou katalavainw pws to ennoeis, ta megethi den einai sygkrisima. San Xristianos ayto einai aytonohto, alla nomizw kai apo antikeimenikh/athriskeytikh skopia epishs...
Exeis kathe dikaioma na ton theoreis malaka. Ego pou eida tis geloiografies kai tis vrika eustoxes ton theoro kalo geloiografo. Oi mousoulmanoi pou prosvalontai, mporoun aplos na min agorasoun tin efimerida.[quote:uebj5zcp]Oso gia thn diafora krishs kai logokrisias, pou eides na kanw kati diaforetiko? Malaka ton eipa kai oti eprepe na dialeksei allo tropo na perasei to mhnyma tou pou den xtypaei sto thriskeytiko synaisthima.
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Den katalavainw ti theleis na mou peis. Ena dieykrinistiko sxolio ekana, oxi erwthsh. Sto erwthmatiko pou yparxei (rhtoriko htan etsi ki alliws) den apanthses. Gia to ti eprepe na kanoun oi Mousoulmanoi ta exw pei ena dis fores. Egw lew gia to an o geloiografos exei kanei malakia 'h oxi. Einai endiaferousa h syzhthsh peri prothesewn metaksy tou Virus kai tou phantom, dioti egw safws pistevw oti h malakia eksartatai apo thn prothesi. opoia prothesi kai na eixe mou vgainei malakas o kartounistas. Plaka an ithele na kanei einai xontropetsos kai asevhs. Kritikh an ithele na kanei, elpizw na xairetai me thn methodo didaskalias tou (ta xw ksanapei ayta kai stamatw)... Esy ti itheles na mou peis pantws?
Oxi, alla Skotadisti den se eipa gia tin eklisi se mena, se eipa gia tin ekklisi stous mods. Episis an diavaseis to post mou tha deis oti den grafo "kake vic eisai skotadistis", grafo "etsi vgainei to onoma stous xristianous oti einai skotadistes", pragma pou simainei oti polles fores xristianoi opos esy, drontas kato apo thlipsi i fanatismo, i orgi, provainoun se akraies energeies (px logokrisia, kapsimo vivlion). Epidi poloi ligoi anagnorizoun to lathos tous (esy apoteleis ekseresi) vgainei to onoma.[quote:uebj5zcp]Egw pistevw oti se ayta ta themata, otan apo monos sou deixneis sevasmo mporeis na exeis kai thn pita oloklhrh kai ton skylo xortato. Apparently not. Otan sou valw to pistoli ston krotafo na vgaleis tis eikones, pes me skotadisth. Ekklhsh einai, oxi apaithsh. Diafwneis?
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*sigh*. Estw. Pantws exeis poly eykolh thn karamela tou skotadismou otan ksekathara skopos den einai na fimwsw ayto pou theleis na peis alla na sou pw oti o sygkekrimenos tropos pou to kaneis einai esfalmenos (kata thn gnwmh mou fysika...mhn ksanakanoume syzhthsh ep'aytou please). Skotadismos einai na epithymw thn fimwsh sou. Alla telos pantwn. Eksairesh opws tha eides isws kai na mhn eimai telika...
Afto den mporeis na to ksereis. O kathe anthropos theorei Iera kai osia diaforetika pragmata. Opos esy theoreis to xristo, polloi dimosiografoi theoroun Ieri kai Osia tin eleftheria tous na vlasfimoun.[quote:uebj5zcp]
Ta Iera kai osia ta dika sou kai tou danou an den kanw lathos den prosvlithikan.
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Me tetoies atakes typou "e, den to ksereis, mporei kiolas na prosvallontai" den exw tyxh. Einai h loumpa tou sxetikismou. Egw pistevw oti den einai toso iera kai osia telika, oute ayto synevh sthn pragmatikothta kai thn sygkekrimenh peristash. Den mporw na apodeiksw tipota apo ayta kai eimai ypoxrewmenos na dextw oti etsi einai. Anagnwrizw oti ekana lathos loipon (an kai den kserw kata poson dexesai oti einai anagnwrish alla there it is)
Apo pou ki os pou ekprosopeis tous xristianous? To oti i eikona einai prosvoli gia esena den simainei oti einai prosvoli gia tous xristianous genikotera. Ksero pollous, ma para pollous xristianous pou oxi mono den prosvlithikan, alla gelasan kiolas me ti geloiografia tou filou mou.[quote:uebj5zcp]Anideo kai afelh den se lew giati den symfwneis mazi mou. Giati den gnwrizeis oti einai prosvolh gia enan xristiano h eikona pou evales.
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Ti na pw? Edw me epiases. Pragmatika kai ousiastika. Sigoura den ekproswpw olous tous xristianous, oute exw dikaiwma na krinw thn eylaveia kanenos. Einai h prwth parathrhsh sou pou me ekane na kontostathw kai na skeftw. Edw exw lathos. Ara afelhs kai anideos den eisai. Ayto einai ena lathos mou pou anagnwrizw pragmatika. Den allazei ousiastika ayto pou thelw na pw alla kakws genikeysa oti h dikh mou prosvolh afora kathe xristiano. Afora pollous alla oxi olous. Sigoura oxi arketous wste na ksereis oti afora kai emena.
Safos, kai pote den se katigorisa gia kati tetoio. Oson afora to an exo alous tropous na stiliteuso tous pederastes papades, nomizeis oti einai dyskolo na vretoun? Omos eimai eleftheros na epilekso ton tropo pou tha kano kritiki kai na kritho ek ton isteron.[quote:uebj5zcp]Gkempels me eipes epeidh thelw na afairesw to point sou apo thn syzhthsh. ALitheia, mono ayton ton tropo exeis sth diathesh sou na stiliteyseis tous paiderastes pappades? Enan tropo pou den prosvallei to thriskeytiko mou synaisthima? An ontws sou elega "mhn akousw gia pappades pou viazoun paidia, den pianoume tous pappades sto stoma mas!" tha eixes apolyto dikio. Exeis katalavei toulaxiston oti den lew ayto?
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To point mou einai an se aythn thn epilogh den tha eprepe na mpainei kai to stoixeio tou sevasmou tou thriskeytikou synaisthimatos tou allou. Ws ypenthymish ayto.
Den tha alakso ton tropo pou postaro. Opoiosdipote epilegei tha mporei na diavasei ta vlasfima posts mou, kai opoiosdipote prosvaletai na ta parakampsei. Opos enas skinothetis pou girizei mia tainia me viaiotites kai vazei mia proeidopoihsi, den logokrinei ton eafto tou, apla dinei ston theati to dikaioma na epileksei an tha dei tin tainia i oxi.[/quote:uebj5zcp][quote:uebj5zcp]Gia thn teleytaia protash sou, kane ayto pou niwtheis esy kalytero. Tha ithela na mporousa na diavazw aytousia ta posts sou xwris na yparxei zhthma prosvolhs alla efoson ayto den ginetai, einai ki ayto mia lysh. Esy pws vlepeis to gegonos oti tha allakseis ton tropo pou postareis gia na ikanopoihseis enan skotadisth omws?
Fair enough.
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ο Ηρόδοτος αναφέρει μια ιστορία: Ενας Πέρσης Μονάρχης κάλεσε κάποιους Ελληνες και μια φυλή Ινδών και τους έθεσε το εξής ερώτημα: Ποια η μέγιστη τιμή στους γονείς σας όταν πεθάνουν;
Οι Ελληνες απάντησαν ότι τους καίνε στην πυρά. Οι Ινδοί φρικάραν.
Ρωτάει τότε ο μονάρχης τους Ινδούς την ίδια ερώτηση. Και αυτοί απαντάνε ότι τους τρώνε. Ηρθε η ώρα των Ελλήνων να φρικάρουν
Τυπικό παράδειγμα σχετικισμού. Κάτι που σε κάποιον είναι η ύψιστη τιμή, σε άλλους είναι φρικαλέο.
Κάτι που σε εμάς είναι αδιάφορο και απόλυτα φυσιολογικό, σε άλλους λαούς είναι η ύψιστη προσβολή.
Ξέρετε γιατί όταν κάνετε μπάνιο στον Αμαζόνιο πρέπει να φοράτε... προφυλακτικό;
http://www.trollart.com/sound/candiru/index.html
http://rockandecology.blogspot.com/
Μπράβο Candiru, δεν νομίζω να είχε καταλάβει ποτέ κανείς ότι οι Μουσουλμάνοι το παίρνουν περισσότερο στα σοβαρά από τους Δανούς μέχρι να postάρεις.
Επίσης.
Θεωρείς δηλαδή την προσβολή κάτι σαν πιστοποιητικό ορθής τεχνικά κριτικής?Originally Posted by Solo Carriera
The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame.
~
όχι. ο σκοπός των κόμιξ δεν ήταν να προσβάλλουν, ήταν να σχολιάσουν. έτσι το βλέπω εγώ τουλάχιστον.
thymaste to epeisodio sto gyro tou kosmou se 80 meres (to kinoumeno sxedio) sto opoio eswzan to gkomenaki??? ='))Originally Posted by Candiru
Es el sonido de su mundo derrumbándose/Es el del nuestro resurgiendo
El día que fue el día, era noche/Y noche será el día que será el día
βέβαια υπάρχει και το ενδεχόμενο να αντέδρασαν λόγω της απεικόνισης του μοχμούτ και μόνο και όχι λόγώ σχολίων όπως το "we ran out of virgins" το οποίο εγώ βρίσκω πολύ πετυχημένο. όπως και να 'χει δε μπα να γαμιούνται θάνατος στους αλλόθρησκους κλπ.Originally Posted by Solo Carriera
αλλά γενικότερα, ναι, θεωρώ τις αντιδράσεις ένδειξη πετυχημένης κριτικής. άλλωστε όταν απλά προσπαθείς να προσβάλλεις γίνεσαι γραφικός και οι αντιδράσεις είναι μάλλον αχρείαστες.
ΕΝΤΙΤ: και για να απαντήσω και στην σωστή ερώτηση, ενδεχομένως και την προσβολή (ως αποτέλεσμα, όχι ως σκοπό). άλλωστε συνήθως χρησιμοποιείται απλά ως πρόσχημα.