kina, rythmoi anaptykshs klp

[Odonian]

[The Nerd]

@Gabriel: Diavase ligo gia toys polemoys toy Opioy (1855) kai skepsoy poy antleis ta infos soy.

[edit] As to pw laikistika. Mhpws gia akoma mia fora oi prwhn epishmoi apoikiokrates kai nyn "ta pairnoyme me to ganti apo oses prwhn apoikies de mas exoyn dialosteilei akoma" apoikiokrates Aggloi, xrhsimopoioyn ton sovaro(fanh?) typo toys (ton opoio isws diavazeis) gia na ta poyn opws 8eloyn? (Gia amerikaniko typo den syzhtw, eidika meta tis prosfates asteiothtes toy Time gia toys kakoys kinezoys hacker). To parapanw epeidh 8ewreis anapofeykto na zhthsoyn oi kinezoi "perissoteres eley8eries" sto mellon (+ to oti den toys kalyptei h "dhmokratia").

Mhpws h e3iswsh ths Kinas me alles prwhn apoikies-kafeneia einai adikh (peri outsourcing)? Mhpws h kina einai apo tis liges prwhn apoikoimenes xwres poy einai aytodynamh kai den vasizei se 3es xwres to infrastructure?
Mhpws h kina den endexetai na antimetwpisei ENERGEIAKO provlhma sto mellon?
Mhpws h loiph kina (ta astika kentra toylaxiston) paei na ginei opws to hong kong kai to macao para to anti8eto?
Oso gia to hong kong ktl kai peri diakyvernhshs, erwthsh:
to 1997 alloy sthn kina, den yphrxan oyrano3ystes?

[Gabriel]

@Gabriel: Diavase ligo gia toys polemoys toy Opioy (1855) kai skepsoy poy antleis ta infos soy

gia pes moy se poies plhrofories anaferesai kai ti tha eprepe na kserw exontas diabasei ayta poy les.

[The Nerd]

@Gabriel: Diavase ligo gia toys polemoys toy Opioy (1855) kai skepsoy poy antleis ta infos soy

gia pes moy se poies plhrofories anaferesai kai ti tha eprepe na kserw exontas diabasei ayta poy les.

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/CHING/OPIUM.HTM
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/ChinaDragon/opiumwar.html
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/heroin/opiwar1.htm
http://www.serendipity.li/wod/hongkong.html

ayta (apo phgh oso objective kai oi vretannoi "analytes")

[Gabriel]

Mhpws gia akoma mia fora oi prwhn epishmoi apoikiokrates kai nyn "ta pairnoyme me to ganti apo oses prwhn apoikies de mas exoyn dialosteilei akoma" apoikiokrates Aggloi

bolds: exeis meinei 50 xronia pisw? gia thymise moy poies apoikies exoyn oi aggloi se "nyn" bash kai apo poies apoxwroyn. na mathoyme kai tipota.

xrhsimopoioyn ton sovaro(fanh?) typo toys (ton opoio isws diavazeis) gia na ta poyn opws 8eloyn? (Gia amerikaniko typo den syzhtw, eidika meta tis prosfates asteiothtes toy Time gia toys kakoys kinezoys hacker). To parapanw epeidh 8ewreis anapofeykto na zhthsoyn oi kinezoi "perissoteres eley8eries" sto mellon (+ to oti den toys kalyptei h "dhmokratia").

den kserw ti leei o kinezikos, indonhsiakos h "sobaros" typos apo ton opoio enhmerwnesai esy. den thymamai, epishs, se poio bathmo h entypwsh moy oti oi kinezoi tha apaithsoyn politikes allages einai apotelesma anaforwn ston typo, dikwn moy ypothesewn h' o,ti allo. kai anarwtiemai: exei shmasia?

Mhpws h e3iswsh ths Kinas me alles prwhn apoikies-kafeneia einai adikh (peri outsourcing)?

poies apoikies kai poia kafeneia? to outsourcing ws fainomeno gia polles xwres einai kai paramenei gegonos. prwhn apokies kai mh.

Mhpws h kina einai apo tis liges prwhn apoikoimenes xwres poy einai aytodynamh kai den vasizei se 3es xwres to infrastructure?

liges, polles....ti eidoys hlithies (ektos apo proklhtikes) erwthseis einai aytes? kapoies prwhn apoikies einai "aytodynames" (<-- all'ant'allwn leksh gia syzyhthsh opws h dikh mas. ante na moy deikseis kai na symfwnhsoyme sto poios einai ti.), alles den einai "aytodynames". pfff. kai?

Mhpws h kina den endexetai na antimetwpisei ENERGEIAKO provlhma sto mellon?

to ksypnhma ths kokkinhs arkoydas. bl, apopanw.

Mhpws h loiph kina (ta astika kentra toylaxiston) paei na ginei opws to hong kong kai to macao para to anti8eto?

mporei. kai?

Oso gia to hong kong ktl kai peri diakyvernhshs, erwthsh:
to 1997 alloy sthn kina, den yphrxan oyrano3ystes?

to shmantiko sthn anaptyksh toy hong kong (kai giati htan toso poly pio mprosta se oikonomikh drash apo ola ta alla kentra sth kinas, ki as eixan oyranoksystes) htan to sythma kai to oikonomiko periballon.

twra - kai elpizontas oti tha ektimhseis oti apanthsa se asxetes erwthseis poy ebales mono kai mono gia provokatsia kai entypwsiasmo - thes mhpws na moy peis

se poies plhrofories anaferesai kai ti tha eprepe na kserw exontas diabasei ayta poy les.

otan les

@Gabriel: Diavase ligo gia toys polemoys toy Opioy (1855) kai skepsoy poy antleis ta infos soy

?

'ykaristw.

edit: Otan tha les kati gia tis plhrofories moy, tha moy milas sygkekrimena me 1-2 protaseis se ti anaferesai kai poy kanw lathos. Den exw xrono na pernaw 5 links me oses selides.

[The Nerd]

Here we go again na e3hgoyme ....

[LAIKISMOS]

Mhpws gia akoma mia fora oi prwhn epishmoi apoikiokrates kai nyn "ta pairnoyme me to ganti apo oses prwhn apoikies de mas exoyn dialosteilei akoma" apoikiokrates Aggloi

bolds: exeis meinei 50 xronia pisw? gia thymise moy poies apoikies exoyn oi aggloi se "nyn" bash kai apo poies apoxwroyn. na mathoyme kai tipota.

Den 3erw, zw 50 xronia pisw. Kati thlepoikinwniakes ypodomes poy exei analavei h BT (me merokamato contracted consultant 200 lirakia hmerhsiws kai simulation sto Ipswitch (h opws diaolo grafetai), kati trapezikes ypodomes ypo diaxeirhsh barclays (kai ayta einai mono ayta poy 3erw apo 2o xeri AKA real life gnwstoi moy apasxoloyntai ekei), sigoyra einai olws tyxaies kai nai oles oi prwhn apoikies exoyn proodeysei to idio kai se kammia ma kammia periptwsh den alla3e o manwlios kai evale ta royxa toy alliws (fygane oi fantaroi kai hr8ane oi epixeirhmaties) kai kammia prwhn apoikia ths Koinopoliteias den einai e3artwmenh apo th mama agglia kai den kanoyn atypa koymanto oi aggloi.

xrhsimopoioyn ton sovaro(fanh?) typo toys (ton opoio isws diavazeis) gia na ta poyn opws 8eloyn? (Gia amerikaniko typo den syzhtw, eidika meta tis prosfates asteiothtes toy Time gia toys kakoys kinezoys hacker). To parapanw epeidh 8ewreis anapofeykto na zhthsoyn oi kinezoi "perissoteres eley8eries" sto mellon (+ to oti den toys kalyptei h "dhmokratia").

den kserw ti leei o kinezikos, indonhsiakos h "sobaros" typos apo ton opoio enhmerwnesai esy. den thymamai, epishs, se poio bathmo h entypwsh moy oti oi kinezoi tha apaithsoyn politikes allages einai apotelesma anaforwn ston typo, dikwn moy ypothesewn h' o,ti allo. kai anarwtiemai: exei shmasia?

Fysika kai exei shmasia, h paradoxh oti "dhmokratia" = oikonomikh eymareia einai toy agglosa3wnikoy typoy/tropoy skepshs poy ekfrazetai mesa apo ton typo.

Mhpws h e3iswsh ths Kinas me alles prwhn apoikies-kafeneia einai adikh (peri outsourcing)?

poies apoikies kai poia kafeneia? to outsourcing ws fainomeno gia polles xwres einai kai paramenei gegonos. prwhn apokies kai mh.

Allo na vasizesai sto outsourcing, allo einai ena parapleyro meros twn drasthriwthtwn. Einai 8ema texnognwsias H kina thn exei, PLEON E3AGEI texnognwsia. Eidopoios diafora pisteyw.

Btw, me aformh mia synentey3h kapoioy ellhna ka8hghth sto E prin 2-3 vdomades, elege oti h Kina pleon proslamvanei ka8hghtes panepisthmioy sthn texnologia me "idiaitera" antagwnistikoys oroys. Ar8ro poy anadhmosieythke sto slashdot.org proeidopoioyse oti sto computer science, h amerikh (US) einai se all time low me emfanh kindyno na xasoyn to pleonekthma stis en logw texnologies.

Apo thn allh, ek8esh toy British Higher Council, poy anadhmosieythke sthn Independent, elege oti to epipedo twn ka8hghtwn panepisthmioy sthn vretannia peftei.

Den leei kati ayto? Oti enw alloi menoyn stasimoi, h kina anevainei?
Oti exoyn 3efygei se toylaxiston enan tomea apo toys aploys "outsourced employees"?

(+ 3erw hdh atoma poy ergazontai sto hong kong se paromoio posto kai sigoyra kaneis mas den 8elei na ma8ei poios einai o ka8aros mis8os toys)

Mhpws h kina einai apo tis liges prwhn apoikoimenes xwres poy einai aytodynamh kai den vasizei se 3es xwres to infrastructure?

liges, polles....ti eidoys hlithies (ektos apo proklhtikes) erwthseis einai aytes? kapoies prwhn apoikies einai "aytodynames" (<-- all'ant'allwn leksh gia syzyhthsh opws h dikh mas. ante na moy deikseis kai na symfwnhsoyme sto poios einai ti.), alles den einai "aytodynames". pfff. kai?

...

Mhpws h kina den endexetai na antimetwpisei ENERGEIAKO provlhma sto mellon?

to ksypnhma ths kokkinhs arkoydas. bl, apopanw.

Nta3ei, edw 3epernas ka8e orio meta3wtoy laikismoy. Dhladh an mia xwra sthn eperxomenh petrelaikh krish, exei prosvash se fysiko aerio + eisagei elaxisto petrelaio, fysika kai den paizei rolo gia tis prooptikes anapty3hs ayths.
an apo thn allh arneisai oti yparxei h en logw krish tote des to telos toy post.

Mhpws h loiph kina (ta astika kentra toylaxiston) paei na ginei opws to hong kong kai to macao para to anti8eto?

mporei. kai?

Afoy to macao kai to hong kong kai th sagkah thn exete ws protypa an mia "opis8odromikh" xwra akoloy8hsei ayta ta nea protypa (ara parei ta aparaithta stoixeia diakyvernhshs/diaxeirhshs) den 8a proodeysei?

Oso gia to hong kong ktl kai peri diakyvernhshs, erwthsh:
to 1997 alloy sthn kina, den yphrxan oyrano3ystes?

to shmantiko sthn anaptyksh toy hong kong (kai giati htan toso poly pio mprosta se oikonomikh drash apo ola ta alla kentra sth kinas, ki as eixan oyranoksystes) htan to sythma kai to oikonomiko periballon.

Htan to gegonos oti htan free-trade zone (me oles tis ennoies, kai tis kales kai tis kakes) + oti den efage toys polemoys poy efage h ypoloiph kina. H erwthsh einai, ti ofelos eixe h kina apo ayto? 0, ta kerdh efeygan alloy. Epishs, poios soy eipe oti h kina dioikeitai me "stalinikes" me8odoys?

twra - kai elpizontas oti tha ektimhseis oti apanthsa se asxetes erwthseis poy ebales mono kai mono gia provokatsia kai entypwsiasmo - thes mhpws na moy peis

se poies plhrofories anaferesai kai ti tha eprepe na kserw exontas diabasei ayta poy les.

otan les

[quote:1q9wj6hg]@Gabriel: Diavase ligo gia toys polemoys toy Opioy (1855) kai skepsoy poy antleis ta infos soy

?

'ykaristw.

edit: Otan tha les kati gia tis plhrofories moy, tha moy milas sygkekrimena me 1-2 protaseis se ti anaferesai kai poy kanw lathos. Den exw xrono na pernaw 5 links me oses selides.[/quote:1q9wj6hg]
[/quote]

Einai aplo. Oi plhrofories proerxontai kyriws apo aggliko typo. Megalo pososto aytwn twn plhroforiwn leei peri "dhmokratias" (epishmh grammh ths CIA , des to factbook gia akoma mia fora )) kai "anapofeykths dioikhtikhs allaghs" kai 1002 diastrevlwmenes PIPES. Aytes tis pipes metafereis esy. Ara an arneisai oti h Kina einai kati parapanw apo ena trend, sorry man, vgale tis vretannikes parwpides kai des ta pragmata polypleyra.
[/LAIKISMOS]

8a ginei h kina 2h isws kai 1h yperdynamh? Pi8anon.
Einai kalo ayto gia toys eyrwpaioys? Mallon oxi.
To na vazoyme to kefali sthn ammo kai na leme "trend" einai 8a perasei, den ofelei.

Kleinontas, se proswpiko epipedo, ta bold merh (kai to mind reading gia provokatsies) einai akyra.

[Gabriel]

Fysika kai exei shmasia, h paradoxh oti "dhmokratia" = oikonomikh eymareia einai toy agglosa3wnikoy typoy/tropoy skepshs poy ekfrazetai mesa apo ton typo.

rwthsa: exei shmasia an katelhksa se ayth thn apopsh monos h' parakoloythwntas ta "sobaro(fanh?)" mesa?

kai an exw ayth thn apopsh anoikw "ston agglosaksoniko tropo skepshs"?

gia des kati pragmata...

Den leei kati ayto? Oti enw alloi menoyn stasimoi, h kina anevainei?
Oti exoyn 3efygei se toylaxiston enan tomea apo toys aploys "outsourced employees"?

nai, kati leei.

8a ginei h kina 2h isws kai 1h yperdynamh? Pi8anon.
Einai kalo ayto gia toys eyrwpaioys? Mallon oxi.
To na vazoyme to kefali sthn ammo kai na leme "trend" einai 8a perasei, den ofelei.

ok, loipon.

ola ta ypoloipa, epeidh:
1) h' prospathoyn na antikroysoyn pragmata poy den exw pei
2) h' proxwran parapera apo thn yperaploystath analysh poy ekane gia to correlation growth kai eyhmereias - kai sthn opoia adynatwna prosthesw allo claim
3) h' prospathoyn na trabhksoyn thn syzhthsh se pragmata poy einai asxeta me to elaxisto point moy (bl, 2) kai sta opoia kata pasa pithanothta tha symfwnhsw
ta afhnw xwris sxolio.

me agaph, panta. hthela na pw kati poly ligo. sta ypoloipa peri petrelaiwn, epektatismwn ktl. den mporw na symmetexw.

[The Nerd]

Tespa, finito egw se ayto to thread. Opoios exei matia vlepei.

[katwrimos]

Θυμίζω χαρακτηριστικά πως η Κινεζική κυβέρνηση θεωρεί την Ταϊβάν ως επαναστατούσα παροικία και το θέμα ως "εσωτερικό", καθώς και τις εδαφικές διεκδικήσεις στην Κινεζική Νότια Θάλασσα.

Simfono pantos me tous kinezous sto thema tis taiwan. To "eiste koumounia" den einai eparkis logos gia na kopseis mia xora sti mesi. Diladi an mazevontan oi ellines fasistes sti rodo kai aneksartitopoiountan afto tha itan anekto? Akraio paradeigma alla stin taiwan pano kato afto simvainei.