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    Quote Originally Posted by katwrimos
    1on)oi giatroi ek roumanias boulgarias klp apo apopsh gnwsewn kai epipedou spoudwn(alla kai xarakthra genikotera) mexri na paroun to DIKATSA EINAI SE pososto toulaxiston 80% GIA TON POUTSO.
    afou parun to dikatsa to pososto peftei arketa isws kai se ena 40%.
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    [quote:1040wwjn]2on) epeidh den exete IDEA tou ti 8a pei dikatsa eidika thn teleytaia 5aetia apla mhn petate blakeies tou styl "erxonte, to dikatsa tous anagnwrizei ta ptyxia kai aytoi meta skotwnoun kosmo"
    Afto ginetai omos. [/quote:1040wwjn]

    oxi den ginete ayto...an yposthrizeis pws osoi phgan se balkanikes xwres na spoudasoun skotwnoun kosmo eisai ba8eia nyxtwmenos.


    [quote:1040wwjn]3on) se genikoterh sygkrish me tous giatrous ths elladas apo thn wra pou 8a paropun ptyxio MEXRI NA MPOUN STHN EIDIKOTHTA oi giatroi apo balkania einai TOULAXISTON ISA3IOI an oxi kalyteroi se 8ewrhtikes gnwseis.gia mena ena kalo pososto yperterei gamata se 8ewrhtikes gnwseis.
    Oxi, giati prokeite gia xamiloterou epipedou foitites. Ta panepistimia sou prosfairoun peripou tin idia poiotita gnosis, alla oi fitites DEN einai toso kaloi osoi aftoi pou kataferan na perasoun stin ellada. Fisika afto den isxiei gia tous roumanous/voulgarous fitites.[/quote:1040wwjn]

    POIOS KRINEI TO EPIPEDO TWN FOITHTWN???ESY? H TO KRATOS MESW ARMODIWN FOREWN? KAI AN EINAI ETSI OPWS TA LES GIATI DEN APAGOREYSE THN ANAGNWRISH MESW OPOIOUDHPOTE TROPOU THS FYGHS FOITHTWN PROS THS ANATOLIKES XWRES...
    EXEIS GNWSH OTI ARKETES XWRES THS EYRWPAIKHS ENWSHS ANAGNWRIZOUN TA BALKANIKA PTYXIA APO SYGKEKRIMENA PANEPISTHMIA XWRIS E3ETASEIS?
    MH ME SYFHLIAZEIS ME AYTA POU LES....AFOU DEN EISAI GNWSTHS THS KATASTASHS APLA MHG MILAS H PETA KAPOIES IDEES KAI MEXRI EKEI...MHN KANEIS ANTILOGO AFOU DEN 3EREIS.
    3EREIS POSOI FOITHTES ERXONTE APO THN AYSTRIA KAI THN GERMANIA STH ROUMANIA GIA NA PAROUN PTYXIO KAI NA PANE NA PIASOUN AMESWS DOULEIA STH XWRA TOUS?
    SE PLHROFORW ARKETOI...
    KAI EPEIDH EISAI STH SOUHDIA KANE ENAN KOPO NA RWTHSEIS AN ANAGNWRIZONTE TA PTYXIA BALKANIKWN XWRWN EKEI.


    [quote:1040wwjn]sthn pra3h den ftaine an den mporoun na synagwnis8oun tous synadelfous e3 elladas ka8ws to kratos apagoreyei praktikh e3askhsh stous en logw giatrous.
    Afto mas eleipe, na pigenei to kathe vlameno roumania, na agorazei ena ptixeio kai na girizei elada na sfazei kosmo... [/quote:1040wwjn]

    swstos
    kai egw agorasa to ptyxio mou ...otan 8a anoi3w iatreio mhn er8eis se mena na mh se skotwsw.
    eisai apla tragikos giati ta isopedwneis ola enw symfwneis opws les monos sou mazi mou sto prwto quote pou ekanes.

    [quote:1040wwjn]ayta pou lew einai PAGIA kai den dexomai kammia antirrhsh ws prwhn foithths anatolikou mplok ka8ws exw biwsei oles tis faseis tou golgo8a.
    ARXIDIA. To mono pou isxiei apo afta pou les einai to proto kai sou eksigisa giati. BTW se pia xora spoudazes? Apo tis parapano xores eksereitai i tsexia.[/quote:1040wwjn]

    spoudasa sth roumania kai ayta pou lew einai pagia kai den mou e3hghses TIPOTA apolytws
    to mono pou ekanes einai na e8elotyfleis se mia katastash pou exei ftia3ei to ELLHNIKO KRATOS kai h ellhnikh iatrikh koinothta gia KA8ARA EPAGGELMATIKOUS LOGOUS.


    GIATI E3AIREITE H TSEXIA?

    [quote:1040wwjn]apla respect se an8rwpous pou mporei na apoteloun mikro pososto alla exoun perasei ta pandeina kai to mono pou zhtane einai ISOTIMIA
    DEN DIKAIOUNTAI ISOTIMIA giati DEN EINAI ISAKSIOI AFTON POU SPOUDASAN ELLADA! An itan isaksioi as to apodiknian stis panelinies, i as pernagan se kapoio anagnorismeno panepistimio europaikis xoras.[/quote:1040wwjn]

    POIOS KRINEI RE 8EIO TI EINAI ISA3IO KAI TI OXI ...ESY?
    tespa bariemai na lew ta idia.
    phgene pio panw kai 3anadiabase ayta pou egrapsa me CAPS.
    A TWRA POU TO 8YMH8HKA....SE 3 XRONIA SXEDON OLES OI BALKANIKES XWRES 8A MPOUN STHN EE KAI PLEON DEN 8A APAITEITE DIADIKASIA ANAGNWRISHS KA8WS 8A EINAI AMESA ISOTIMA TA PTYXIA TWN XWRWN AYTWN.
    TI EXEIS NA PEIS GI AYTO?
    SE 3 XRONIA APLA OLA 8A ALLA3OUN E? 8A ANABA8MISTOUN OLES AYTES OI XWRES KIETS?


    DIladi sovara to les tora afto? Tha exei isaksio ptixeio o mathitis tou 20 pou afierose oli tou tin efivia sto na perasei stin iatriki me ton tipo pou spoudase sti roumania me ta lefta tou mpampa?
    8a mpw sthn paidikh logikh sou apantwntas sou ws e3hs:
    nai ka8ws egw pou spoudasa sthn roumania me ta lefta tou mpampa ayth th stigmh dinw e3etaseis sto dikatsa oi opoies AY8AIRETA ginonte kai AY8AIRETA dior8wnonte.
    oi e3etaseis pou ginonte apo to dikatsa einai etsi ftiagmenes wste na phgaineis san probato sth sfagh.
    EGW symfwna me ayta pou exw didax8ei kai pou exei didax8ei olos o kosmos pou spoudazei iatrikh...EPIBALETE na e3etastw se didax8eisa ylh h opoia prepei na anakoinwnete apo to dikatsa.
    to dikatsa gia xronia oloklhra den eixe oute exei anakoinwsei sygkekrimenh ylh.
    teleytaia anakoinwse 1 biblio gia ka8e ma8hma e3etashs to opoio didaskete kai kala kai stousfoithtes sthn ellada.
    e3etazomaste loipon sta kefalaia aytwn twn bibliwn 2 fores to xrono me 100 multiple choice erwthseis.SE KA8E E3ETASTIKH AYTO ALLAZEI.APROEIDOPOIHTA.
    EKTOS AYTOU ....APO TIS 100 ERWTHSEIS (pou do8hkan tis telelytaies 2 fores) OI 10-20 EINAI SXEDON PANTA ERWTHSEIS EIDIKOTHTAS...ALLES 10-20 EKTOS YLHS KAI 5-10 ENTOS YLHS ALLA ERWTHSEIS PAGIDES POU MPERDEYOUN THN DW8EISA YLH APO TA SYGKEKRIMENA BIBLIA ME MH YLH APO ALLA BIBLIA?(sthn iatrikh ka8e biblio prepei na 3ereis oti exei apokleiseis analoga me to poios toi grafei...ena sygkekrimeno paradeigma einai oi times ergasthriakwn e3etasewn.)

    MEXRI STIGMHS SOU EXW BGALEI 25-50 ERWTHSEIS AP TIS 100EKTOS YLHS KAI BA8MOLOGOUMASTE ME ARISTA TO 60 KA8WS ISXYEI ARNHTIKH BA8MOLOGIA(se mia e3etastikh to arista htane to 75 entelws ay8aireta)

    GIA APANTHSE MOU TWRA ESY POIOS 20ARHS FOITHTHS EXEI PERASEI STA 12 6MHNA THS IATRIKHS AYTA POU SOU PERIEGRAPSA MOLIS TWRA?

    EXEIS MHPWS IDEA TOU TI EPIKRATEI STHN IATRIKH ENTOS ELLADOS ME THN YLH KAI TIS E3ETASEIS?

    KAI EPEIDH LES GIA ELLHNIKA PANEPISTHMIA KAI OTI SPOUDASES EDW STHN ELLADA .... MHPWS EISAI ENHMEROS GIA DIEF8ARMENOUS KA8HGHTES POU TA PERNOUN?GIATI EGW EIMAI...

    H MHPWS EISAI ENHMEROS GIA TON ROLO TWN KOMMATIKWN ORGANWSEWN KATA THN E3ETASTIKH PERIODO?
    GIATI EMENA KAPOIO POULAKI MOU EXEI PEI (KAI EXW DEI ME TA MATIA MOU 2 FORES (boh8o ka8hghth kai ka8hghth) NA PERNANE BOLTITSES KAI NA DINOUN MPILIETAKIA ME 8EMATA STA PAIDIA THS PARATA3HS TOU.
    ayta pws xarakthrizonte akribws?
    to akribodikaio ellhniko systhma sta panepisthmia?
    BEBAIA DEN MPAINW KAN STIS METEGGRAFES ETSI?ayta den xreiazete kan na ta anaferw gia na spilwsw to dikaion tou systhmatos pou epikratei sta ellhnika panepisthmia kai thn akadhmaikh koinothta.


    [quote:1040wwjn]en telh an to kratos DEN H8ELE giatrous apo aytes tis xwres NA FRONTHZE NA ENHMERWSEI oti den 8a dex8ei kanenan pou 8a exei spoudasei ekei kai oxi na rixnei ton ka8e tyxarpasto se enan kykaiwna problhmatwn epeidh etsi TO SYMFEREI e3yphretwntas symferonta mikroapatewnwn ews kai megalogiatrwn h akadhmaikwn.
    ARXIDIA!!! O nomos tou kratous leei oti PTIXEIA TIS ALODAPIS ANAGNORIZONTAI AFTOMATOS MONO OSA EINAI STIN EUROPAIKI ENOSI. Einai efthini ton foititon na kseroun tous nomous tou kratous. Efimerida tis kiverniseos einai panefkolo na vreis, den tous ftaiei kaneis pou den kseroun tous nomous...[/quote:1040wwjn]

    GIA POIOUS NOMOUS MILAS???
    GIA TOUS ANYPARKTOUS H GI AYTOUS POU ALLAZOUN KA8E 2 MHNES?
    to 3ereis pws sta 6 xronia pou egw spoudaza sth roumania to dikatsa alla3e me nomosxedio thn leitourgia tou 4 fores?
    kai ap thn wra pou teleiwsa mexri twra exei alla3ei 6 fores ?

    ME POIOUS NOMOUS TO KRATOS APAGOREYEI SE MENA, POU AN SYGKRINW TIS GNWSEIS MOU ME ENAN TELIOFOITO IATRIKHS PANW STHN XEIROURGIKH KAI THN PA8OLOGIA POU E3ETAZOMAI 8A TOU 3ETINA3W TA PREKIA , THN DYNATOTHTA OXI NA ERGASTW...ALLA NA ANAGNWRISW WS ISOTIMW TO PTYXIO MOU....?
    MOU LES ENAN NOMO POU NA TO LEEI AYTO?
    me poious nomous to kratos eynoei ta paidia megalogiatrwn stis sygkekrimenes e3etaseis?
    me poious nomous to kratos dhmiourgei mia kasta an8rwpwn pou xleyazonte apo sena kai omoious sou pou den exoun idea peri tinos prokeite ?
    epeidh kapoioi exoun apo oikonomika ews politika symferonta kai prepei na kanoun ta xathria ths iatrikhs koinothtas?
    en telh STA ARXIDIA MOU AN KAPOIOI PERASAN STIS PANELLHNIES KAI EGW DEN PERASA.
    E3ETASES GIATI DEN PERASA EGW?
    E3ETASES MHPWS GIATI DEN PERASAN TOSOI ALLOI?
    3EREIS MHPWS THN ISTORIA TOU KA8ENWS APO AYTOUS POU 3ENHTEYTHKAN KAI XALASAN ENA SWRO LEFTA GIA NA GINOUN MIA MERA KAI KALA GIATROI?

    OXI

    to krithrio to diko sou einai perases stis panellhnies eisai GAMATOS den perases kai bghkes e3w(eidika se balkanikh xwra) 8eleis skotwma.

    gi ayth th logikh sou kai mono 8a eprepe na se agnohsw.

    BEBAIA mono kai mono pou h monh sygkrish pou exeis kanei mexri twra einai oi teleiwmenoi ap th roumania me 20ARHDES foithtes ellhnikwn panepisthmiwn leei polla.
    8elontas na apodei3eis oti eimaste xalies mou perneis an8rwpous pou monos sou eipes oti diabazoun 20 wres to 24wro kai pernoun 20aria klp kai tous sygkrineis me ola ta paidia pou briskonte sta balkania.

    parepiptontws ...mou les pls ti akribws epikratei sthn italia epeidh eisai gnwsths ths olhs katastashs.
    kai kapou eida pws milhses gia agglia kai to oti den mas pernoun ta panepisthmia ekei....
    to xeis psa3ei to zhthma kai milas?

    tespa apo to olo yfos sou eimai 1000% sigouros oti den bgazw T I P O T A pou sou milaw.alla eidwmen...
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    Quote Originally Posted by katwrimos
    Quote Originally Posted by freak brother
    EFOSWN DWSEI EXETASEIS STO DIKATSA KAI PERASEI EINAI ISOTIMOS TOU ELLHNA SYMFWNA ME TON NOMO LOUKA.
    ./
    Malaka pragmatika tha prepei na matheis na diavazeis. Pame gia mia analisi gia 10xrona:

    I agnoia tou nomou, pou proevale o Dunadan os epixireima, einai kati pou einai ipoxreosi tou politi (diavase to sintagma dude). Apo tin alli, to na ksereis ena nomo, simainei oti ton sevesai alla oxi to oti ton apodexesai kai den zitas tin alagi tou. Diladi den tha eixa provlima na elege o Dunadan "pistevo oti o nomos einai adikos kai prepei na alaksei kai na exoun ptixeio neuroxeirourgou oi odontiatroi", apopseis einai aftes. Omos to na leei "to kratos me adikise giati den me enimerose gia ti nomothesia" einai atopo giati einai diki tou ipoxreosi na gnorizei tous nomous.

    An den katalavaineis kai tora den ftaio ego...
    apo pote h ay8airesia einai nomos tou kratous?

    A BTW KAI AFOU TO 8HMH8HKA....TO 3EREIS OTI SE KA8E E3ETASTIKH PLHRWNEI KA8E E3ETAZOMENOS 90EYRW TO MA8HMA?
    xwris kan na anaferete sto nomosxedio?
    me poio dikaiwma plhrwnw ka8e fora pu e3etazomai 90e h 180e gia 2 ma8hmata(aytoi pou prosfata arxisan na dinoun 3 pane sta 270e)
    pou pane ayta ta lefta?
    se kondylia ereynas opws grafei h apodei3h tou logarismou trapezhs....

    giati???TA KONDYLIA EREYNAS TOU PANEPISTHMIOU A8HNWN DEN SYMPERILAMBANONTE STO PAKETO TOU PROYPOLOGIMOU GIA THN PAIDEIA POU MAZEYETE APO THN FOROLOGIA TWN ELLHNWN POLITWN?
    POIOS O LOGOS KA8E XRONO TO PANEPISTHMIO A8HNWN NA MAZEYEI SE 4 MERES XONTRIKA 1200000 eYRW?


    POIOS NOMOS TA LEEI AYTA?
    o agrafos?
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    Quote Originally Posted by katwrimos
    Tsag den paei opos to les, tha sou eksigiso apo konta giati variemai tora. Se genikes grammes af'enos einai diskolo na kaneis skonaki stin iatriki (diladi otan tha exeis mprosta sou to ptoma kai tha prepei na vgaleis to nefro tha prepei na skeftesai se pia tsepi exeis valei to skonaki?) kai episis otan kapoios afieronei 3 xronia apo ti zoi tou gia na perasei stin iatriki einai apithano na varietai na diavasei sto panepistimio.

    edw pragmatika gelaw...poio ptwma prwta ap ola?
    exeis mhpws idea poses fores blepoun ptwma oi ellhnes foithtes iatrikhs?
    oson afora to teleytaio gia ta 3 xronia diabasmatos klp.
    exw thn entypwsh pws zeis se allo planhth.
    8eleis na me peiseis pws h pleiopshfia twn paidiwn pou pernane sta elhnika panepisthmia DEN BARIONTE NA DIABASOUN giati poly apla exoun synh8isei etsi?
    twra ti na pw...


    Oson afora ta "kapoios pou den mporei na thimithei 10 imerominies alla exei meraki" ksanaskepsouto. Pisteveis pragmatika oti kapoios pou thelei NA GINEI KALOS GIATROS den tha kataverei na mathei 10 imerominies istorias? Alla an gia kapoio logo DEN MPOREI na tis mathei, tote kai pali den prepei na ginei giatros, giati ti tha kanei otan tha prepei na thimatai apekso kamia 60aria farmaka me tis idiotites kai tis parenergies tous??
    m aresei pali pou milas GIA KALOUS GIATROUS.an mporouses na peis TELEIOUS GIATROUS 8a to eleges.
    ta krithria sou opws se olh thn skepsh sou sygkrinoun panta tous teleious foithtes les kai ta ellhnika panepisthmia sto terastio pososto tous apotelounte apo ma8htes tou 10 kai tou 20.
    foberh logikh.


    Giati pragmatika eimai periergos na matho se pia logiki tou paralogou tha stiriksei o dunadan to oti to ptixeio enos spoudagmenou sti voulgaria/roumania/etc prepei na einai isaksio me to ptixeio tis simmathitrias mou tis ioannas pou diavaze apo to proi os to vrady gia 3 xronia gia na perasei iatriki...
    8a sto pw poly apla etsi opws esy to eipes aberta se ola sou ta post....
    GIATI EINAI NOMOS TOU KRATOUS.
    sta paparia mas pou h filh sou h iwanna diabaze 3 xronia gia na perasei iatrikh kai perase kai 8a ginei mia mera H TELEIA GIATROS.
    to 8ema mas profanws kai den einai ayto.
    to 8ema einai pws h filh sou h iwanna exei efhmeria kai egw tygxanei na eimai sto nosokomeio ws as8enhs ...kai h filh sou h iwanna einai ston prwto xrono eidikothtas kai efhmereyei sthn klinikh....kai kapoios pa8ainei pneymoniko oidhma kai h filh sou h iwanna sastizei epeidh einai h prwth fora pou antimetwpizei pneymoniko oidhma kai exei xasei ton mpousoula psaxnontas na 8ymi8ei posothtes farmakwn kai o an8rwpos pe8ainei ...kai egw ths lew sto tsak mpam ti kai pws prepei na to kanei gia na ton swsei....

    ti apedei3a pou ebala thn teleia giatro sth 8esh ths?oti eimai kalyteros ap ayth kai oti prepei an mou dwsoune to ptyxio timhs eneken?
    h mhpws an h iwanna kanei la8os diagnwsh se enan as8enh taytoxrona einai isa3ia me tous malakes tous foithtes sth roumania pou skotwnoune kosmo grafontas la8os syntages kai kanontas la8os diagnwseis????

    profanws osoi diabazoun san thn filh sou thn iwanna kai aytoi pou perasan panellhnies DEN KANOUN POTE LA8OS (eidika sth douleia tous)

    ayth einai h logikh sou.
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    My name is Gabriel and I approve of ALL of Dunadan's posts.


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    thnx m8
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    Quote Originally Posted by katwrimos
    den einai oti den exoun ta xrimata, apla DEN TOUS PAIRNOUN aglia.

    Mou irthe giati sizitousa me ti mana mou simera sxetika me kapious kakomirides pou tous egrapsan lathos farmaka oi tsarlatanoi ek roumanias kai i mana mou PAR'OTI MIA TAPEINI FARMAKOPOIOS to katalave...

    Kai meta tous sistise kapoious_pio_poiotikous_giatrous kai tora oi tsarlatanoi paraponiountai ki apo pano

    hmmmm an aytos einai o MONOS logos pou exeis gia na kaneis ayto to thread 8a se parakalesw na me enhmerwseis gia ta e3hs:

    1on)apo ti pasxoun oi kakomoirhdes pou phgan sth mhtera sou
    2on)ti farmaka tous egrapsan oi almpanides ek roumanias
    3on)ti sxesh exei h mhtera sou me tous giatrous pou esteile tous kakomoirhdes

    profanws 8a mporousa na kathgorhsw kai egw mazi me tous almpanides th mhtera sou gia polla pragmata opws gia paradeigma to oti OPWS OLOI OI FARMAKOPOIOI ANA THN XWRA apoteloun mazi me tous GNWSTOUS TOUS GIATROUS kleisto kyklo OPOU o enas stelnei pelateia ston alln kai toumpalin.
    ISWS LOIPON AYTOS EINAI ENAS KALOS LOGOS GIA TOUS ALMPANHDES NA DIAMARTYRONTE ...
    ka8ws OLOI EMEIS POU DEN 3EROUME APO IATRIKH STO FORUM KAI TO PWS DOULEYEI TO SYSTHMA KLEISTOU KYKLOU IATRIKWN KAI PARAIATRIKWN EPAGGELMATWN ME TIS PASES TWN PELATWN META3Y TOUS ....MPOROUME SAFESTATA NA YPO8ESOUME OTI H KALH FARMAKOPOIOS MAMA SOU EIDE TO TERASTIO LA8OS TWN GIATRWN KAI APO AGAPH PROS TON SYNAN8RWPO KAI MISOS PROS TOUS KAKOUS giatrous apo roumania POU ISWS DEN ANHKOUN STON KLEISTO THS KYKLO,ESTEILE TOUS KAKOMOIROUS AN8RWPOUS STON KATALLHLO GIATRO POU LOGIKA 8A EINAI GNWSTOS THS FILOS THS.

    enas pali pou 3erei pws douleyei to systhma me osa exeis grapsei kallista 8a mnporouse na pei pws ayto edw to peristatiko apotelei ABANTADORIKH taktikh twn farmakopoiwn pros tous gnwstous tous giatrouskai oti apla h tapeinh farmakopoios mama sou esteile epipleon pelateia stous filous ths.

    prepei epishs na 3ereis pws oi giatroi EXOUN TO DIKAIWMA analoga me to ti eipe kai ti ekane h mhtera sou an apodeix8ei pws exoun kanei swsth diagnwsh na ths kanoun mhnysh.

    gi ayto apanthse mou an 8eleis sta 3 pragmata pou se rwthsa WSTE toulaxiston egw pou panw katw gnwrizw ti paizei sth sxesh farmakopoiwn kai giatrwn na bgalw ena swsto symperasma...

    olo to ypoloipo forum pou den gnwrizei na eisai sigouros oti 8a bgalei ayto to symperasma pou prospa8eis na mas peiseis esy kai pou h mhtera sou epeise tous kakomoirous arrwstous....OTI OI GIATROI APO TO ANATOLIKO MPLOK EINAI GIA TON MPOUTSO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoRn
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoRn
    eprepe na valeis ena velaki pou na leei "GIATROS ANATOLIKOU BLOK" xaxaxaexae
    dikio exeis 8a to kamw entit

    edit: to ekama
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    Sti suidia iparxei organismos antistixos tou dikatsa pou diorganonei eksetaseis oxi antistixes tou dikatsa, alla arketa diskoles. Episis se periptoseis pou den iparxei zitisi gia enan epagelmatiko klado, (iatriki included) ta ptixeia tou kladou den anagnorizontai

    Episis to kratos exei dikaioma na alazei ti nomothesia OSES FORES TOU KAULOSEI ki esy tha prepei na frontizeis na enimeronesai. Pou einai to provlima sou sto na vreis mia gamimeni efimerida tis kiverniseos?? Ase pou afto pou egrapses peri "na apagoreusei tin eksodo fititon" einai ASTEIO kathoti einai paranomo vasei tou diethnous emporikou dikaiou


    Tha sou vro oles tis plirofories pou zitises sxetika me ta farmaka.


    Prota omos tha mou apantiseis sta eksis 2:

    1. Afou aksizeis (opos theoreis) na eisai giatros, giati den pernages stis panelinies??? Vasika afto min to apantiseis prosopika (mporei esy px na piges roumania epidi kategesai apo ekei, eno mporouses na peraseis panelinies). Apantise mou genika, giati osoi spoudazoun roumania,voulgaria klp afou aksizoun giati den dinoun panelinies?

    2. Pragmatika theoreis dikaio na exeis isaksio ptixeio me ta paidia pou xasane 3 xronia apo ti zoi tous gia na perasoun iatriki?



    An se endiaferei mporo na sou eksigiso AKRIVOS giati to kratos iothetei afti ti stasi, opos episis mporo na sou eksigiso giati to na spoudazeis tsexia den einai to idio me to na spoudazeis roumania, alla epidi ipopsiazomai oti vlepeis ta panta OPOS SE SIMFEROUN den exei noima na kano 2 selides analisi gia kati pou den tha diavaseis. Pantos exo arketes gnoseis pano sto thema, pithanotata malista o sxediasmos ton AEI stin europaiki enosi tha einai i diplomatiki mou.

    Pantos oxi den se vasanizoun epidi den se goustaroun. Se vasanizoun giati apla DEN EISAI TO IDIO ME KAPOION POU ANTALAKSE TIN EFIVIA TOU ME MIA THESI STIN IATRIKI.

    cheers


    PS: Oson afora to oti i mana mou stelnei tous astheneis tis stous "dikous tis giatrous" xoris logo, asto kalitera, ektos ean pisteveis oti vlepei tous astheneis pou agorazoun farmaka apo aftin kamia 20etia os 100eura. Vasika eisai eleftheros na to pisteveis alla ego pou ksero tin katastasi kalitera apo esena sou leo oti den isxiei
    Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.
    J. M. Keynes.

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    pws katalave h mama sou oti oi giatroi pou grapsan tis suntages htan apo thn roumiania??
    to grafe panw to xarti me tis suntages?
    σηκωσες λιγο την μπλουζιτσα και υποψιαστηκα οτι εισαι ο φρικ. Σε λιγα δευτερολεπτα ειχα μαθει την τραγικη αληθεια.Δεν ξερω αν προσεξες την απογοητευση στo προσωπο μου..
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    Quote Originally Posted by freak brother
    pws katalave h mama sou oti oi giatroi pou grapsan tis suntages htan apo thn roumiania??
    to grafe panw to xarti me tis suntages?

    EXM... Rotise tous astheneis profanos?? Alla paizei kai na kserei tous giatrous prosopika kathoti olos o imittos mia geitonia einai.
    Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katwrimos
    Sti suidia iparxei organismos antistixos tou dikatsa pou diorganonei eksetaseis oxi antistixes tou dikatsa, alla arketa diskoles. Episis se periptoseis pou den iparxei zitisi gia enan epagelmatiko klado, (iatriki included) ta ptixeia tou kladou den anagnorizontai

    Episis to kratos exei dikaioma na alazei ti nomothesia OSES FORES TOU KAULOSEI ki esy tha prepei na frontizeis na enimeronesai. Pou einai to provlima sou sto na vreis mia gamimeni efimerida tis kiverniseos?? Ase pou afto pou egrapses peri "na apagoreusei tin eksodo fititon" einai ASTEIO kathoti einai paranomo vasei tou diethnous emporikou dikaiou
    ok...giati sth germania kapoia panepisthmia apo balkanikes xwres anagnwrizonte apo to kratos?
    giati h tsexia na anagnwrizotan?
    giati oxi h ouggaria?

    to mono pou exeis na mou peis gia tis ay8airesies kai tis paranomies tou dikatsa pou sou aradiasa einai na paw na pernw mia fora stis 2 weks mia efhmerida ths kybernhsews kai na enhmerwnomai panw stis allages twn nomwn mias kai to na allazei h nomo8esia gia to dikatsa kanei pra3h thn paroimia "rabe 3ylwne douleia na mh sou leipei?"

    EF OSON EINAI ASTEIO AYTO POU EIPA PERI APAGOREYSHS FYGHS FOITHTWN STIS BALKANIKES XWRES KAI EINAI PARANOMO NASEI DIE8NWN NOMWN GIATI TO ELLHNIKO KRATOS EXEI APAGOREYSEI KAI DEN ANAGNWRIZEI TA PTYXIA TWN AGGLOFONWN PARARTHMATWN TWN BALKANIKWN PANEPISTHMIWN ENW PRIN APO 4 PERIPOU XRONIA TA ANAGNWRIZE KAI TA DEXOTAN ?
    TA AGGLLOFWNA PANEPISTHMIA STA BALKANIA EXEIS GNWSH OTI EINAI APLA TA3EIS AGGLIKWN APO TOUS IDOUS KA8HGHTES PANEPISTHMIWN ME THN IDIA YLH KAI TIS IDIES PARADOSEIS ME AYTES TWN PANEPISTHMIWN STHN GLWSSA THS KA8E XWRAS?
    3afnika ta agglofwna PANEPISTHMIA PRIN 4 XRONIA htan kala kai twra eginan kaka?

    pou einai h apanthsh sou gia to oti se 3 xronia 8a anagnwrizonte xwris e3etaseis ta ptyxia twn balkanikwn xwrwn?
    ti 8a kanete tote?
    oikogeneiakws 8a metakomisete sth souhdia gia na mh sas e3olo8reysoun oi aggeloi tou 8anatou ap th roumania kai th boulgaria?
    h 8a alla3eis apopsh gia thn poiothta twn foithtwn aytwn?




    Tha sou vro oles tis plirofories pou zitises sxetika me ta farmaka.
    ara exeis symfwnhsei hdh sto 3 tou post mou kai 8a mou apanthseis kai sto 1 mazi me ta farmaka.


    Prota omos tha mou apantiseis sta eksis 2:

    1. Afou aksizeis (opos theoreis) na eisai giatros, giati den pernages stis panelinies??? Vasika afto min to apantiseis prosopika (mporei esy px na piges roumania epidi kategesai apo ekei, eno mporouses na peraseis panelinies). Apantise mou genika, giati osoi spoudazoun roumania,voulgaria klp afou aksizoun giati den dinoun panelinies?

    megalos ari8mos twn foithtwn ths roumanias apotelei paidia megalogiatrwn ta opoia posos endiaferonte gia thn iatrikh
    allo ena kalo pososto apotelei eite arxosxolous eite apotyxhmenous diaforwn desmwn opou brhkan eykolh lysh sth rouania gia na paroun ena ptyxio....opws anelysa me pososta sto prwto mou post legontas pws peripou ena 80% twn foithtwn ekei epanw einai asxetoi kai gia ton mpoutso to idio kanw kai twra.yparxei omws ENA 20% to opoio apo leptomeries eite epeidh o ANTAGWNISMOS STIS IATRIKES SXOLES EINAI TERASTIOS opou stis desmes gia na empaines sthn iatrikh h8eles 18.5 M.O kai panw...eite gia diaforous paragwntes atyxias ta paidia ayta symperilambanomenou kai emou eite den petyxan eite petyxan se alles sxoles pou den tus endieferan(o ypofenomenos eixe perasei se tei)
    an loipon MPOROUN mesw kapoiou tropou na ginoun giatroi giati na mhn to kanoun afou to kratos to epitrepei?
    DEN KLEBOUME KATI...KALOUMASTE NA APODEI3OUME AN A3IZOUME THN ISOTIMIA TOU PTYXIOU MAS(OPWS KI AN TO PHRAME KALOUMASTE NA THN APODEI3OUME)
    AFOU LOIPON TO KRATOS MAS KALEI NA THN APODEI3OUME PERIMENOUME NA THN APODEI3OUME ME BASH DIKAIA KRITHRIA TA OPOIA 8A EFARMOSOUN FOREIS TOU ELLHNIKOU KRATOUS.
    OTAN 8A GINEI AYTO 8A PAPSW NA EIMAI KATA TOU ELLHNIKOU KRATOUS STH SYGKEKRIMENH PERIPTWSH ..KAI KATA TOU DIKATSA.


    2. Pragmatika theoreis dikaio na exeis isaksio ptixeio me ta paidia pou xasane 3 xronia apo ti zoi tous gia na perasoun iatriki?


    bebaiotata to 8ewrw dikaio....BEBAIOTATA KA8WS EMENA DE ME RWTHSES POSA XRONIA EXW XASEI STA BIBLIA h' sthn 3enitia kai to ellhniko kratos den ta ypologise kai fronthse mesw e3etasewn DIALOGHS oxi IKANOTHTWN alla APOSTEI8HSHS KAI PAPAGALIWN na dwsei thn 8esh pou isws mou a3ize se kapoion allo pou exei fwtografikh mnhmh wste na aradiasei ta apisteyta katebata apo ka8e selida ths biologias ths 3hs lykeiou kai na parei kapoia ba8mologia merikous ba8mous kalyterh apo mena kai na mpei sthn iatrikh kai egw na meinw e3w.




    An se endiaferei mporo na sou eksigiso AKRIVOS giati to kratos iothetei afti ti stasi, opos episis mporo na sou eksigiso giati to na spoudazeis tsexia den einai to idio me to na spoudazeis roumania, alla epidi ipopsiazomai oti vlepeis ta panta OPOS SE SIMFEROUN den exei noima na kano 2 selides analisi gia kati pou den tha diavaseis. Pantos exo arketes gnoseis pano sto thema, pithanotata malista o sxediasmos ton AEI stin europaiki enosi tha einai i diplomatiki mou.

    Pantos oxi den se vasanizoun epidi den se goustaroun. Se vasanizoun giati apla DEN EISAI TO IDIO ME KAPOION POU ANTALAKSE TIN EFIVIA TOU ME MIA THESI STIN IATRIKI.
    NA E3HGHSEIS ESY SE MENA?
    ME LIGA LOGIA ESY POU H MONES SOU SXESEIS ME TO ANTIKEIMENO EINAI to peristatiko ths mhteras su ...ayta pou akous apo diaforous tritus kai MIA DIPLWMATIKH SOU na e3hghseis se mena pou exw zhsei ayth thn katastash TOSA XRONIA na mou e3hghseis oti den thn blepw swsta?

    kai ante na mou e3hghseis kai na katsw na s akousw....TI NA MOU PEIS?
    exw aradiasei monos mou mia selida apo tis 4 tou thread GIA NA APANTHSW MONO SE DIKES SOU PARATHRHSEIS/APORIES/PROKLHSEIS
    kai to mono pou mou les twra einai oti BLEPW TA PRAGMATA OPWS ME SYMFEROUN KAI OTI DE 8A SE DIABASW.
    mhpws ginesai ligo tragikos m ayta pou les?
    SE TI APANTHSES ESY AP OLA AYTA POU SOU ANEFERA EGW?
    TO NA KRINEIS E3 IDIWN DEN SE TIMA opote kalytera na afhseis ayto to 8ema peri dikatsa isotimias klp giati en telh opws eipa kai lew se ola ta post mou TO MONO PRAGMA POU LES sxedon SE OLA TA POST SOU einai to e3hs aplo:

    OSOI EDWSAN PANELLHNIES KAI PERASAN EINAI OI GAMATOI KAI DEN KANOUN KANENA LA8OS..AYTOI 8A OPDHGHSOUN TH XWRA STH NEA XILIETIA STHN EYHMERIA KAI THN ANAPTY3H
    OSOI PHGAN SE EYRWPAIKH XWRA DEN EIANI TO IDIO GAMATOI ME TOUS ELLHNES ALLA TOULAXISTON A3IZOUN THN ISOTIMIA TOU PTYXIOU TOUS
    OSOI PHGAN STO ANATOLIKO MPLOK NA PE8ANOUN.

    me ayth thn karamela me to na mhn apantas sxedon se tipota ap oti sou exw pei kai me stoixeia ta opoia AN TA BREIS KAI AN TA ANAFEREIS PAW STOIXHMA OTI 8A EXOUN NA KANOUN SE POSOSTO 90% GIA THN KATASTASH STIS SKANDINAYIKES XWRES KAI TA AEI TOUS (opws einai h pagia taktikh sou allwste sxedon se ka8e post pou kaneis) kai ena 10% 8a anaferete se epilegmenes xwres /nomous/katastaseis pou 8a apodykneioun meros twn legomenwn sou(pou allwste opws eipa to megalo pososto basizete sthn mia kai monadikh ellhnikh mparoufa idea "perases stis panellhnies gamhses ton kosmo olo") ,me ola ayta loipon APOKLEIETE NA PEISEIS ENAN AN8RWPO POU EXEI ZHSEI /ZEI KAI EINAI MES TA PRAGMATA ka8ws aytos to mono pou exei na kanei einai na dei apo thn praktikh pleyra tou to olo 8ema kai na gamhsei to dikatsa kai tis ay8airesies tou me ton diko tou tropo.(eisai mhpws enhmeros gia thn apofash tou symbouliou ths epikrateias enantia sto dikatsa gia paranomia kai ay8airesia stis e3etaseis tou noembriou tou 2003?)

    PS: Oson afora to oti i mana mou stelnei tous astheneis tis stous "dikous tis giatrous" xoris logo, asto kalitera, ektos ean pisteveis oti vlepei tous astheneis pou agorazoun farmaka apo aftin kamia 20etia os 100eura. Vasika eisai eleftheros na to pisteveis alla ego pou ksero tin katastasi kalitera apo esena sou leo oti den isxiei
    safws kai eimai eley8eros na to pisteyw... kai den eipa pou8ena OTI AYTO ISXYEI...eipa oti einai mia ekdoxh h opoia bebaia ws syggeniko sou proswpo sou diafeygei kai den 8es kan na thn anafereis(kai kala kaneis)
    ap thn allh poios milhse gia 20aeties kai 100eyra?
    eipa egw pou8ena gia lefta h gia to oti h mhtera sou blepei tous pelates ths ws antikeimena pros pwlhsh ?
    ti sxesh exei na kanei H abantadorikh douleia twn farmakopoiwn me ayta pou les?
    to na stelneis pelateia stous gnwstous sou (opws kanoun oloi oi giatroi) xarakthrizei mhpws thn poreia sou sto xrono se sxesh me thn ergasia sou kai thn sxesh pou exeis me tous pelates sou?



    ps: oute gia thn italia mou apanthses...alla ti rwtaw ...edw den mou apanthses se tipota


    edit:
    Quote Originally Posted by katwrimos
    Pantos oxi den se vasanizoun epidi den se goustaroun.

    swsto...kai eisai h zwntanh apodei3h gi ayto


    Quote Originally Posted by katwrimos
    Na psofisoun oooooooooloi????????????????


    NAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunadan Ranger
    megalos ari8mos twn foithtwn ths roumanias apotelei paidia megalogiatrwn ta opoia posos endiaferonte gia thn iatrikh
    allo ena kalo pososto apotelei eite arxosxolous eite apotyxhmenous diaforwn desmwn opou brhkan eykolh lysh sth rouania gia na paroun ena ptyxio....opws anelysa me pososta sto prwto mou post legontas pws peripou ena 80% twn foithtwn ekei epanw einai asxetoi kai gia ton mpoutso to idio kanw kai twra.yparxei omws ENA 20% to opoio apo leptomeries eite epeidh o ANTAGWNISMOS STIS IATRIKES SXOLES EINAI TERASTIOS opou stis desmes gia na empaines sthn iatrikh h8eles 18.5 M.O kai panw...eite gia diaforous paragwntes atyxias ta paidia ayta symperilambanomenou kai emou eite den petyxan eite petyxan se alles sxoles pou den tus endieferan(o ypofenomenos eixe perasei se tei)
    an loipon MPOROUN mesw kapoiou tropou na ginoun giatroi giati na mhn to kanoun afou to kratos to epitrepei?
    DEN KLEBOUME KATI...KALOUMASTE NA APODEI3OUME AN A3IZOUME THN ISOTIMIA TOU PTYXIOU MAS(OPWS KI AN TO PHRAME KALOUMASTE NA THN APODEI3OUME)
    AFOU LOIPON TO KRATOS MAS KALEI NA THN APODEI3OUME PERIMENOUME NA THN APODEI3OUME ME BASH DIKAIA KRITHRIA TA OPOIA 8A EFARMOSOUN FOREIS TOU ELLHNIKOU KRATOUS.
    OTAN 8A GINEI AYTO 8A PAPSW NA EIMAI KATA TOU ELLHNIKOU KRATOUS STH SYGKEKRIMENH PERIPTWSH ..KAI KATA TOU DIKATSA.
    Εδώ με βρίσκεις απολύτως σύμφωνο. Το πρόβλημα είναι οι μέθοδοι του ΔΙΚΑΤΣΑ για την αναγνώριση του πτυχίου (κι όχι η ίδια η αναγνώριση) και η πρόσληψη αχρήστων σε ελληνικές νοσοκομειακές μονάδες.
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