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    Default 2os pagkosmios polemos kai ellada (idiaitera 1940-1941)

    Se ayto to topic mporoyme na milhsoyme gia thn anamei3h ths elladas ston deytero pagkosmio polemo. Egw proswpika meta apo dikh moy ereyna se arketes phges kai oxi amesa sxetizomenes me thn ellada, pisteyw paidia oti mas exoyn taisei polla skata gia to ti akrivws egine tote. Omws ayta 8a ta pw se ligo.
    Pisteyete oti ontws eginan opws mas ta lene sxoleio?
    Pisteyete oti pai3ame to rolo poy nomizoyme ston 2o pagkosmio polemo h' oti apla hmastan komparsoi?
    Pisteyete oti kerdisame toys Italoys?
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    Den gnwrizw parepiptontws osa 8a h8ela na kserw panw se auto to 8ema. 8a anafer8w sto gegonos "an kerdisame tous Italous". Pisteyw oti tous krathsame se mia "pagwmenh" 8esh gia kapoio diasthma (kuriws me antartopolemo), para me organwmeno strato. Episis tous krathsame apla mexri na er8oun oi te8wrakismenes merarxies tou Hitler kai apla na isopedwsoun to metopo kai na mpoun sthn Ellada. To gegonos omws, einai oti an kai mikrh xwra, kai xwris megalo oplismo, antapekshl8ame arketa panw apo tis prosdokies twn dunamewn tou Aksona.
    Ravel: There is no room for '2' in the world of 1's and 0's, no place for 'mayhap' in a house of trues and falses, and no 'green with envy' in a black and white world.

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    Default Re: 2os pagkosmios polemos kai ellada (idiaitera 1940-1941)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Nerd
    Pisteyete oti pai3ame to rolo poy nomizoyme ston 2o pagkosmio polemo h' oti apla hmastan komparsoi?
    Oti "hmastan komparsoi", h' oti toylaxiston h ektimhsh poy exoyme oi idioi gia th symbolh mas sth symmaxikh prospatheia einai parafoyskwmenh.

    Pisteyete oti kerdisame toys Italoys?
    Pistevw oti kataferame epityxws na apokroysoyme thn eisbolh toys.

    De lew alla s'ayto to topic, giati fobamai oti tha bgw pali asxetos, me ton ena h' ton allo tropo.
    You know you're in for a good time when there's a polar bear - bleeding - on the label.

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    Quote Originally Posted by When_Black_Roses_Bloom
    Den gnwrizw parepiptontws osa 8a h8ela na kserw panw se auto to 8ema. 8a anafer8w sto gegonos "an kerdisame tous Italous". Pisteyw oti tous krathsame se mia "pagwmenh" 8esh gia kapoio diasthma (kuriws me antartopolemo), para me organwmeno strato. Episis tous krathsame apla mexri na er8oun oi te8wrakismenes merarxies tou Hitler kai apla na isopedwsoun to metopo kai na mpoun sthn Ellada. To gegonos omws, einai oti an kai mikrh xwra, kai xwris megalo oplismo, antapekshl8ame arketa panw apo tis prosdokies twn dunamewn tou Aksona.
    Syzhtoysa me enan italo poy eixe arketes gnwseis kai yposthrize oti h italia den htan etoimh apo apopsh porwn kai organwshs gia enan tetoio polemo. Sthn erwthsh moy pws mia xwra me sygxronh aeroporia (h ellada ekeinon ton kairo eixe ta 8eika PLZ7, ta opoia eixan katarghsei kai oi Polwnoi) kai genika sygxrono e3oplismo ktl exase emeine voyvos.

    Egw pisteyw pantws oti ta itala ta skisame (hdh apo 7 noemvrh symfwna me ton Guderian eixan xasei thn prwtovoylia). Ta germana omws ekanan peripato (nai, kai sthn krhth opoy eixan analogia 1:5 kata toys).

    Epishs pisteyw ta e3hs
    AERA pote den fwnazame kai tsampa kosmos phge apo mas apo tis elleipseis se taktikes/e3oplismo.
    Gennaiothta dei3ame ws laos alla ayto mporoyn na to poyn ws epi to pleiston oloi oi symmetexontes ston polemo.
    Den ka8ysterhsame ta germana gia na mpoyne rwssia, htan hdh promelethmeno h 21 ioynioy logw twn idiaiterwthtwn toy rwssikoy kairoy.
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    i eisodos ton germanon sti rosia itan programmatismeni anoiksi. Episis O rolos tis elinikis antistasis einai ipovathmismenos apo ta vivlia. Pio apofasistiki gia tin ekvasi tou polemou itan i diarkis parenoxlisi ton germanon sta valkania para i apokrousi tou mousolini.
    Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.
    J. M. Keynes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katwrimos
    i eisodos ton germanon sti rosia itan programmatismeni anoiksi. Episis O rolos tis elinikis antistasis einai ipovathmismenos apo ta vivlia. Pio apofasistiki gia tin ekvasi tou polemou itan i diarkis parenoxlisi ton germanon sta valkania para i apokrousi tou mousolini.
    Poy sthrizeis aytes soy tis apopseis?
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    sto oti theoro o polemos krithike otan i germania exase tin Afriki. Mi me rotiseis giati to theoro auto, einai kati pou to pistevoun oi perissoteroi (oxi olloi) istorikoi.
    Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.
    J. M. Keynes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katwrimos
    sto oti theoro o polemos krithike otan i germania exase tin Afriki. Mi me rotiseis giati to theoro auto, einai kati pou to pistevoun oi perissoteroi (oxi olloi) istorikoi.
    Periergo. Egw oti exw diavasei (kai den einai liga) leei oti o polemos xa8hke otan apetyxe na parei th Rwssia (sthn opoia eixan ton 90% twn apwleiwn toys). H afrikh htan wild bet, to afrika korps den htan para mia prospa8eia na trainaroyn toys symmaxoys. O kyrios stoxos htan h rwssia sthn opoia fagane tis e3hs poytses
    1941 - Apotyxia sth mosxa, kyria katey8ynsh pros to noto
    1942 - Ado3o telos sto stalingrad
    1943 - Ado3h epi8esh sto Kursk kai telos ths germanikhs epi8eshs.
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    oi italoi den eixane psyxh ka8ws den 8elane ton polemo gi ayto kai xasane ..

    ennoeite oti oi germanoi ekanan parelash afou oi maxes pou eginan me tis merarxies pou esteile o 8eios adolfos htan sxedon anyparktes
    outws h allws syn8hkologhsame...

    to 8ema einai allo...
    an kapoios exei thn idea oti o antartopolemos DEN einai polemos mallon den 3erei ti tou ginete...
    o antartopolemos einai to xeirotero eidos polemou gia ton katakthth kai apo ta balkania oi mones xwres pou ekanan lyssaleo antartopolemo htan oi yugoslavia kai h ellada.

    gia thn krhth den ta 3ereis kala ta pragmata...kane mia ereyna sto internet gia th maxh ths krhths kai 8a deis analogies ...texnologia e3oplismous klp.

    btw h maxh ths krhths htan mia apo tis 3-4 an 8ymamai kala maxes pou edwse to swma ale3iptwtistwn tou 3ou raix se ola ta xronia tou ww2.
    meta thn maxh ths krhths epapse na yparxei ws swma stratou.

    h maxh ths krhths anagnwrizete apo pollous syggrafeis oti ka8ysterhse ta sxedia gia eisbolh h estw ebale se skepseis ton adolfo gia thn eisbolh sth rwsikh arkouda.

    mh me baleis na psaxnw na sou lew onomata giati bariemai afantasta...

    kata t alla posos me endiaferei an ta palikaria sthn pindo fwnazane aera klp...egw ayto pou 3erw kai den amfisbhteite einai oti perasame ta synora ths elladas kai apeley8erwsame (kai kala) apo italikh katoxh albanikes poleis....e ayto olo kai kati leei gia thn anyparkth dynamh pou hto totenes h ellas mas.
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    stalingrad kai DDay htan h tafoplaka tou endo3ou tritou raix...
    ki ola ayta epeidh o adolf den dexotane koubenta kai nomize oti htan kai h prwth strathgara naoum.


    edit : bare8hka pa na pai3w dawn of war kai meta ypno
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunadan Ranger
    oi italoi den eixane psyxh ka8ws den 8elane ton polemo gi ayto kai xasane ..

    ennoeite oti oi germanoi ekanan parelash afou oi maxes pou eginan me tis merarxies pou esteile o 8eios adolfos htan sxedon anyparktes
    outws h allws syn8hkologhsame...

    to 8ema einai allo...
    an kapoios exei thn idea oti o antartopolemos DEN einai polemos mallon den 3erei ti tou ginete...
    o antartopolemos einai to xeirotero eidos polemou gia ton katakthth kai apo ta balkania oi mones xwres pou ekanan lyssaleo antartopolemo htan oi yugoslavia kai h ellada.

    gia thn krhth den ta 3ereis kala ta pragmata...kane mia ereyna sto internet gia th maxh ths krhths kai 8a deis analogies ...texnologia e3oplismous klp.

    btw h maxh ths krhths htan mia apo tis 3-4 an 8ymamai kala maxes pou edwse to swma ale3iptwtistwn tou 3ou raix se ola ta xronia tou ww2.
    meta thn maxh ths krhths epapse na yparxei ws swma stratou.

    h maxh ths krhths anagnwrizete apo pollous syggrafeis oti ka8ysterhse ta sxedia gia eisbolh h estw ebale se skepseis ton adolfo gia thn eisbolh sth rwsikh arkouda.

    mh me baleis na psaxnw na sou lew onomata giati bariemai afantasta...

    kata t alla posos me endiaferei an ta palikaria sthn pindo fwnazane aera klp...egw ayto pou 3erw kai den amfisbhteite einai oti perasame ta synora ths elladas kai apeley8erwsame (kai kala) apo italikh katoxh albanikes poleis....e ayto olo kai kati leei gia thn anyparkth dynamh pou hto totenes h ellas mas.

    Loipon, meta thn maxh ths krhths, oi germanoi epapsan na xrhsimopoioyn toys ale3iptwtistes ME AEROMETAFORA, san swma stratoy paremeinan energoi ws to 1945 (kai malista se polles periptwseis aytoi evgalan to fidi apo thn trypa)
    Oso gia thn krhth, protimw ta vivlia apo EGKYROYS syggrafeis kai ta ntokimanter apo to internet, h analogia ale3iptwtistwn - enstolwn symmaxwn htan 1:5. Psa3e gia ta OOB sto net (san symplhrwma ereynas) (OOB = Order Of Battle).

    Btw, ama variesai na anafereis stoixeia, mhn postareis sta thread moy ....
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    Maxes twn Oxurwn. Edw sas 8elw. Anatrixiazw kai mono sthn idea dhladhs.
    Ravel: There is no room for '2' in the world of 1's and 0's, no place for 'mayhap' in a house of trues and falses, and no 'green with envy' in a black and white world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by When_Black_Roses_Bloom
    Maxes twn Oxurwn. Edw sas 8elw. Anatrixiazw kai mono sthn idea dhladhs.
    Gamhse ta... Kolash kai gia toys apo mesa kai gia toys ape3w (kai ekei an kai xasame, kaname arketo ntoro).
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Nerd
    Btw, ama variesai na anafereis stoixeia, mhn postareis sta thread moy ....
    ban me ...kai ba bye
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    Pwpw, mhn arxizete kai oi duo e....
    Ravel: There is no room for '2' in the world of 1's and 0's, no place for 'mayhap' in a house of trues and falses, and no 'green with envy' in a black and white world.

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