Αρχαία Ελλάδα vs Βυζάντιο/Χριστιανισμό (split apo "enar

[Dunadan Ranger]

eipa den 8a epekta8w kai de 8a synexisw ... kanw mia mikrh kai teleytaia e3airesh gia na apanthsw kai terma me to 8ema...

btw ... 8elw na dw olous osous einai enantia ston xristianismo ...ti kanoune xristougenna kai pasxa se sxesh me dwra...ti kanoune sthn onomastikh giorth tous se sxesh me dwra klp...ti kanoune stis giortes filwn/syggenwn?

Ma ti sxesi afto me to an eisai xristianos? Mia gorti epipvevlimeni apo ti thriskeia meta apo tosa xronia einai pleon mia paradosi aplws. Diladi to oti to lene xristougenna de leei kati, giati kai to theio mou ton lene apostolo alla ntaks, de taksidevei gia na kyrittei to logo tou daskalou tou.

Oi giortes einai kati pou yparxei se oles tis xwres tou kosmou, to mono pou xreiazontai einai aformes kai kapoion na tis katonomasei. De tha papsoun na mou aresoun oi giortes epeidi den eimai xristianos. Giati oi giortes, eidika an skefteis kala kai to periexomeno tou paradeigmatos sou me ta dwra, den exoun kammia sxesi me ti thriskeia plin tis onomatologias.

oi giortes yparxoun pantou kai einai opws les paradosh APLWS.
to na ekklhsiazesai mia fora sto toso synh8ws se giortes onomastikes kai se megales einai kai ayto PARADOSH.to deytero giati den to kanei kaneis?
dialegoume opoia paradosh mas boleyei kai thn akolou8oume?
an einai etsi ok paw paso .... genikotera h skepsh kai h leitourgia tou starxidismou exei ginei ena me ton neoellhna opote giati oxi kai edw...allwste giati na kourastoume kai na sterh8oume gia na apodei3oume kati pou pisteyoume? h na pame kontra se kati pou den pisteyoume apodexomenoi kai tis synepeies...kakes oi synepeies ...giati na tis ypostoume...kanoume ton kinezo kai ola kala ola wraia.mesobezikes lyseis...KAI MILAW PANTA GIA AN8RWPOUS POU OTI LENE TO ENNOOUN...kai opws eipa oi perissoteroi ennoeite oti den anhkoun se aythn thn kathgoria...alla sthn megalh tou styl ayto me symferei ayto kanw.

[quote:1r0fz9tz] kai sthn telikh osoi eiste antixristianoi kai den pate mia ton xristianismo kai exete xristianiko onoma giati den kanete ena prwto bhma na alla3ete onomata?

Giati o ratsismos pou exei emfyteftei stous ellines apo tin ekklisia sas kai tous kwlomparades pou sou exoun plynei ton egkefalo apo tote pou prwtokatalaves oti i omilia einai kati parapanw apo random ixoi tha mas gemisei ti zwi most likely.

Ase pou sti psyxosynthesi mas to onoma einai profanws syndedemeno me emas ws yparksi. Siga mi katsw na allaksw onoma epeidi einai xristianiko. Den to dialeksa, den me rwtisan an thelw kan na vaftistw, alla ezisa oli ti zwi mou m afto kai an to allaksw twra tha aisthanthw sigoura perierga. Oxi epeidi den tha einai xristianiko to epomeno omws e.[/quote:1r0fz9tz]

to 8ema einai an esy eisai etoimos na ta baleis me ton ratsismo kai na apodei3eis oti den prepei kapoioi na einai ratsistes apenanti sou.
kai btw ..de nomizw na yparxei kalyterh epoxh ap ayth pou zoume sthn istoria tou ellhna gia na bgeis kai na peis dhmosia kai na yposthri3eis tis idees sou enantia sthn ekklhsia kai thn ellhnikh 8rhskeia ...enantia akoma sthn idia thn ellada kai to kratos ths...mh me trellaineis kai mou les emena gia ratsismo kai oti 8a se katastrepsei psyxologika an alla3eis to onoma sou.se parapempw sthn parapanw apanthsh mou pros8etontas oti an pragmatika pisteyei kapoios se ayta pou leei kai 8elei na einai akeraios kai na ta yposthrizei tote de steketai se dikaiologies tou styl ...8a xasw thn psyxikh mou ygeia ...opws sou eipa mesobezikes lyseis kai apopseis bolematos se 8emata pneymatika den xwrane oute xwragane pote..allo an exei ginei opws lew sto prohgoumeno mou post moda mias kai goustaroume thn olh fash na to paizoume psagmenoi kai oti kai kala den anhkoume sta probata tous xristianous klpklp.
kai pote de milhsa opws anafer8hkes se kapoio shmeio gia to na bgeis sto dromo na deireis papades...milhsa gia apla pragmata ka9hmerina pou mporei o ka8enas na mhn dexete apo th xristianiki 8rhskeia.

[quote:1r0fz9tz]giati dexeste na anhkete se mia xwra pou exei ton xristianiko stayro gia shmaia...

an i simaia allaze avrio de tha me peiraze katholou. Alla siga mi fygw apo to spiti mou kai apo tous anthrwpous pou agapw epeidi i pleiopsifia twn ellinwn einai thriskoliptoi (elaxistoi einai pragmatika xristianoi fysika. oloi einai "me ton diko tous tropo")[/quote:1r0fz9tz]

eipa egw na fygeis?egw eipa anhkeis...kai bebaiws h ellada exei ane3i8rhskia 8espismenh apo to syntagma.episima kai sta xartia einai or8odo3h.den eipa pou8ena fygete osoi de goustarete.yparxoun polloi tropoi gia na mhn anhkeis se mia xwra ektos tou na shkw8eis kai na fygeis ap aythn.kai fysika den 8a katsw na tous analysw.

[quote:1r0fz9tz]mallon omws to na to pai3oume tzampa magkes kanontas tous antixristianous epeidh einai ths modas na ta bazoume me th 8rhskeia(thn ka8e 8rhskeia basika), einai oti kalytero mporei na symbei wste na bgoume oi psagmenoi me apopsh klp.

ma nai fysika, den epixeirimatologisa pote mou epi tou thematos, etsi den einai?[/quote:1r0fz9tz]

an den pianeis 100% ti lew safestata den epixeirhmatologeis ka8ws oute esy ftais oute egw gi ayto...mesw net tetoies syzhthseis pote den ginonte kai gi ayto tis kanw mia fora tou agiou poutsou anhmera ka8ws den mporei na piasei o ka8e synomilhths nohmata tou proforikou logou....
ayto pou eipa einai gia to bolema kai thn genikoterh idea tou starxidismou kai tou bolematos.o tzampa magkas safws kai isxyei ka8ws pas na bgeis apo panw legontas oti to kanw opou goustarw kai me pernei ..alla dystyxws an htan etsi tote h ennoia magkas den 8a eixe kai poly nohma...magkes kai esy kai oloi osoi eiste enantioi sthn 8rhskeia 8a htan na prospa8ousate na eixate tis idies pepoi8hseis kai na tis probalete kai ekei pou 8ewrhtika den sas pernei kai opws proeipa DEN NOMIZW NA YPHR3E STHN ELLADA POTE STHN ISTORIA THS KALYTERH EPOXH GIA NA KATSEIS NA PEIS OTI EIMAI A8EOS,ANTIXRISTIANOS KLPKLP.Eytyxws th shmeron hmera an peis tetoia pragmata kai yposthri3eis thn idea sou oso malakia kai na nai 8a akouseis paaaara ma para poly ligotera pragmata apo opoiadhpote allh epoxh..ti perimeneis loipon? na katarif8ei h 8rhskeia gia na yposthri3eis tis idees sou kai na bgeis kai na peis "egw sas ta lega tote?"


tespa...terma h syzhthsh ka8ws o ka8enas exei th gnwmh tou kai na peisw h na peistw gia kati mesw net einai (toulaxiston gia mena) adynato kai panw ap ola hli8io...

opote keep up the good work kai enjoy

[Stormrider]

pola egrapses..

[Dunadan Ranger]

to 3erw...malakia...de 8a 3anasymbei ..pistepse me

edit: ston pitchfork den xreiazete na apanthsw ...apantaei monos tou me osa leei.kai nai den akouw MONO metal ...sygkekrimena akouw ligo ews elaxista...thn 3eperasa th fash "8elw na gamhsw olo ton kosmo giati mou ftaine ola".
oso gia ton bazelo ...ase pes ta allou... otan egw eblepa ap to stadio todhmopoulo na paizei ston bazelo esy den mporw na fantastw pou eisouna.gia allous paixtes de milaw...mporei na mhn 3ereis kan ton mayridi ,kai ton antwniou na ton ema8es apo prosfath synentey3h mazi me ton antwniadh.tespa...

[FIXXXER]

o xristianismos an kai stamathse tous Olympiakous eswse ton Ellhnismo se diskolous kairous......... an den uphrxe twra 8a eimastan Tourkia........... ti shmainei auto???
2. Mallon oute to 1/3 apo autous pou akoune metal 8a akouge metal.....

Niotho ligo moamethanos tora.

[FIXXXER]

oso gia ton bazelo ...ase pes ta allou... otan egw eblepa ap to stadio to dhmopoulo na paizei ston bazelo esy den mporw na fantastw pou eisouna

Re filaraki sugnomi diladi kiolas, elpizo na mi se prosballo, alla ego eimai idi 23 kai arxizo na niotho megalos gia ta forum, opote siga siga i sxesi mou me auta einai epifaneiaki opos diladi kai ton perissoteron se megaluteres ilikies apo mena. Exeis dei ton Dimopoulo sto gipedo kai kaneis post 7 selidon gia ton Xristianismo? Xara sto kouragio sou, esu prepei na exeis megali diathesi gia zoi. An vevaia auto legetai zoi ki oxi KAPSIMO.

[Dragonlord]

an einai etsi ok paw paso .... genikotera h skepsh kai h leitourgia tou starxidismou exei ginei ena me ton neoellhna opote giati oxi kai edw...allwste giati na kourastoume kai na sterh8oume gia na apodei3oume kati pou pisteyoume? h na pame kontra se kati pou den pisteyoume apodexomenoi kai tis synepeies...kakes oi synepeies ...giati na tis ypostoume...kanoume ton kinezo kai ola kala ola wraia.mesobezikes lyseis...KAI MILAW PANTA GIA AN8RWPOUS POU OTI LENE TO ENNOOUN...kai opws eipa oi perissoteroi ennoeite oti den anhkoun se aythn thn kathgoria...alla sthn megalh tou styl ayto me symferei ayto kanw.

Παίζεις ποτέ το πουλί σου;Αν ναι δεν πιστεύω να είσαι από αυτούς τους φλώρους που το κάνουν στην τουαλέτα.Είμαι σίγουρος πως βγαίνεις στις πλατείες και το παίζεις,αφού είσαι αρκετά θαρραλέος για να υποστείς τις συνέπειες

[Deggial]

E nai re sy,opios de goustarei tin katastasi as sikothei na fugei kai na mis mas ta prizei.Einai gnosto oti i ellada exei episima anagnorismeni thriskia kai opios de sumfonei as to voulosei allios ta bogalakia tou kai stin amerika.

Συγγνώμη, αλλά πέρα απ'τις τεχνικές δυσκολίες για να δουλέψει κάποιος εξωτερικό, από πού κι ως πού δεν έχω δικαίωμα να λέω τι γνώμη μου και να προσπαθώ να αλλάζω τα πράγματα (με τους νόμιμους τρόπους που επιτρέπει το Σύνταγμα και η ελληνική νομοθεσία) στη χώρα μου;

[Deggial]

telika h hmima8eia kai o fanatismos einai apla ena matso xalia
btw ... 8elw na dw olous osous einai enantia ston xristianismo ...ti kanoune xristougenna kai pasxa se sxesh me dwra...ti kanoune sthn onomastikh giorth tous se sxesh me dwra klp...ti kanoune stis giortes filwn/syggenwn?

Δεν είμαι αντιχριστιανός, αντιπαθώ ωστόσο την οργανωμένη θρησκεία, δηλαδή την ελληνική ορθόδοξη Εκκλησία για όσα προβλήματα έχει δημιουργήσει στο παρελθόν και τη παρόμοια στάση που ακολουθεί στο παρόν, προσπαθόντας να έχει πολιτικό λέγειν.

Επί του θέματος, τα δώρα είναι ένδειξη φιλίας, αγάπης και σεβασμού. Προσωπικά, δε γιορτάζω Χριστούγεννα ή Πάσχα, ως άθεος, ωστόσο θα κάνω δώρα σε όσους τα γιορτάζουν και ευχαρίστως θα δεχθώ δώρα, αφού αυτά προέρχονται από φιλικές προθέσεις.

[Deggial]

oi giortes yparxoun pantou kai einai opws les paradosh APLWS.
to na ekklhsiazesai mia fora sto toso synh8ws se giortes onomastikes kai se megales einai kai ayto PARADOSH.to deytero giati den to kanei kaneis?
dialegoume opoia paradosh mas boleyei kai thn akolou8oume?

Συγγνώμη, αλλά από πού κι ως πού πρέπει να τηρώ κάθε ελληνική παράδοση; Παραδείγματος χάριν, έχω τονίσει πολλές φορές την αντίθεσή μου προς τις σχολικές παρελάσεις, καθώς είναι ένα έθιμο που προέρχεται από το δικτατορικό καθεστός του Παγκάλου.

Από πού κι ως πού δε δικαιούμαι να δείχνω την αντίθεσή μου σε συγκεκριμένες παραδόσεις και έθιμα που κακώς διατηρούνται ακόμη ή είναι επικινδυνα (μπαλοθιές, λόγου χάρη);

[necropethamenos]

dialegoume opoia paradosh mas boleyei kai thn akolou8oume?

akoma kalytera, dialegoume opoia paradosi MAS ARESEI. Nai, mou aresei pou vlepw kosmo na xairetai kai na episkeptetai tous filous tou kai na antalassoun dwra. Oxi, to na katsw na niwsw ti metafysiki xara pou se kapoious prosferei enas naos kai enas papas de mou aresei, giati den pistevw se afto, de mou SYVMAINEI. Opote nai, DIALEGW AFTO POU PROTIMW! Ti to periergo vlepeis?
An esy kapou diavases oti eimai anagkasmenos na paw stin ekklisia gia na exw xristougenniatiko dentro stis 25 dekemvriou, tote to diavases stous nomous kapoias allis xwras.

an einai etsi ok paw paso .... genikotera h skepsh kai h leitourgia tou starxidismou exei ginei ena me ton neoellhna opote giati oxi kai edw...allwste giati na kourastoume kai na sterh8oume gia na apodei3oume kati pou pisteyoume? h na pame kontra se kati pou den pisteyoume apodexomenoi kai tis synepeies...kakes oi synepeies ...giati na tis ypostoume...kanoume ton kinezo kai ola kala ola wraia.mesobezikes lyseis...KAI MILAW PANTA GIA AN8RWPOUS POU OTI LENE TO ENNOOUN...

Poios starxidismos? Prepei na vgw sto dromo kai na agwnistw gia tin aneksithriskeia? Tin idi katoxyrwmeni? I prepei na kanw ton eafto mou SYMVOLO twn pepoithisewn mou? Eftyxws exw arketa domimeni skepsi wste na exw "xwnepsei" tis idees mou kai na min xreiazomai tetoiou eidous eksarseis.

kai opws eipa oi perissoteroi ennoeite oti den anhkoun se aythn thn kathgoria...alla sthn megalh tou styl ayto me symferei ayto kanw

poion akrivws symferei na min einai xristianos?

to 8ema einai an esy eisai etoimos na ta baleis me ton ratsismo kai na apodei3eis oti den prepei kapoioi na einai ratsistes apenanti sou.

Nai, apo tin alli ksereis oti o eisaggeleas mporei na se mynisei aftepaggelta an prosvaleis tin ekklisia me kapoion tropo? Diladi ti eidous anapodi logiki einai afti, eimai nomika katoxyrwmenos apo to syntagma gia kati, afto an tolmisw na eimai diaforetikos omws tha katapatithei, kai esy ANTI NA DEIS TI GAMIMENI SAPILA ANTIPROSWPEVETAI APO AFTO mou les giati den paw na ginw osiomartyras sto onoma twn pistevw mou.

think again!

kai btw ..de nomizw na yparxei kalyterh epoxh ap ayth pou zoume sthn istoria tou ellhna gia na bgeis kai na peis dhmosia kai na yposthri3eis tis idees sou enantia sthn ekklhsia kai thn ellhnikh 8rhskeia ...

anorimoi - 666
anorimoi - agamate allilous (sto kainourgio)

mh me trellaineis kai mou les emena gia ratsismo kai oti 8a se katastrepsei psyxologika an alla3eis to onoma sou.

thes vivliografia?

se parapempw sthn parapanw apanthsh mou pros8etontas oti an pragmatika pisteyei kapoios se ayta pou leei kai 8elei na einai akeraios kai na ta yposthrizei tote de steketai se dikaiologies tou styl ...8a xasw thn psyxikh mou ygeia ...opws sou eipa mesobezikes lyseis kai apopseis bolematos se 8emata pneymatika den xwrane oute xwragane pote..

kai gw se parapempw se afto pou egrapsa pio panw gia to idi katoxyrwmeno dikaiwma mou, to opoio atoma san ton status seeker den sevontai. E ti allo na kanw para na ton xesw?

allo an exei ginei opws lew sto prohgoumeno mou post moda mias kai goustaroume thn olh fash na to paizoume psagmenoi kai oti kai kala den anhkoume sta probata tous xristianous klpklp.

oi selides pou exw afierwsei se afto to forum sxetika me tous logous gia tous opoious den eimai xristianos einai para polles kai tigka stin epixeirimatologia. An de variesai psakse na deis an to paizw psagmenos.

kai pote de milhsa opws anafer8hkes se kapoio shmeio gia to na bgeis sto dromo na deireis papades...milhsa gia apla pragmata ka9hmerina pou mporei o ka8enas na mhn dexete apo th xristianiki 8rhskeia.

afta pou proteineis tha me metatrepsoun se mia zwntani diafimisi twn pistevw mou.

OUSIASTIKA THA EIMAI SAN ENAN GAY POU ANTI APLA NA EINAI GAY KAI NA PERASEI TI ZWI EFTYXISMENOS WS GAY, PREPEI NA FERETAI SAN TO PARTSAKLO GIA NA TO DIAFIMISEI!

to provlima sou einai oti den eimai enas kragmenos mi-xristianos?

eipa egw na fygeis?egw eipa anhkeis...kai bebaiws h ellada exei ane3i8rhskia 8espismenh apo to syntagma.episima kai sta xartia einai or8odo3h.den eipa pou8ena fygete osoi de goustarete.

e, ok, frontise allos gia'fto

yparxoun polloi tropoi gia na mhn anhkeis se mia xwra ektos tou na shkw8eis kai na fygeis ap aythn.kai fysika den 8a katsw na tous analysw.

?! pisteveis oti to oneiro mou einai na apomonwthw apo tous anthrwpous gyrw mou? Oti thelw na ksexwrizw? OXI. EGW APLA THELW NA MI KAPELWNWMAI APO TI THRISKEIA ALLWN!!! TOSO APLO EINAI!

mesw net tetoies syzhthseis pote den ginonte kai gi ayto tis kanw mia fora tou agiou poutsou anhmera ka8ws den mporei na piasei o ka8e synomilhths nohmata tou proforikou logou....

kathe allo, gia'fto einai wraio to net, mporeis na domiseis tin apopsi sou kai na grapseis ola osa thes, kathws kai na anatrekseis se perasmena posts.

ayto pou eipa einai gia to bolema kai thn genikoterh idea tou starxidismou kai tou bolematos.o tzampa magkas safws kai isxyei ka8ws pas na bgeis apo panw legontas oti to kanw opou goustarw kai me pernei ..alla dystyxws an htan etsi tote h ennoia magkas den 8a eixe kai poly nohma...magkes kai esy kai oloi osoi eiste enantioi sthn 8rhskeia 8a htan na prospa8ousate na eixate tis idies pepoi8hseis kai na tis probalete kai ekei pou 8ewrhtika den sas pernei kai opws proeipa DEN NOMIZW NA YPHR3E STHN ELLADA POTE STHN ISTORIA THS KALYTERH EPOXH GIA NA KATSEIS NA PEIS OTI EIMAI A8EOS,ANTIXRISTIANOS KLPKLP.Eytyxws th shmeron hmera an peis tetoia pragmata kai yposthri3eis thn idea sou oso malakia kai na nai 8a akouseis paaaara ma para poly ligotera pragmata apo opoiadhpote allh epoxh..ti perimeneis loipon? na katarif8ei h 8rhskeia gia na yposthri3eis tis idees sou kai na bgeis kai na peis "egw sas ta lega tote?"

Giati, pote thixtike to thema afto kai den ypostiriksa tin apopsi mou?

katalavaineis ti diafora metaksy tou

1)na ypostirizeis ta pistevw sou otan to thema tithetai kai
2)tou na gineis o ierokyrikas tous?

tespa...terma h syzhthsh ka8ws o ka8enas exei th gnwmh tou kai na peisw h na peistw gia kati mesw net einai (toulaxiston gia mena) adynato kai panw ap ola hli8io...

antithetws tha protimousa na synexiseis, oxi oti eisai anagkasmenos fysika.

[necropethamenos]

Status_seeker μάλλον τα χωσες σε λάθος άτομο.
Όχι μόνο αυτό, λες και μαλακίες, apparently

Giati lathos atomo?Kano kritiki se opion goustaro kai dexome kritiki xoris gamostavridia.

to "fyge apo ti xwra mou" den einai kritiki.

Eisai o prwtos pou me ekane na vrisw pragmatika edw mesa. Pragmatika KAI LIGA SOU EGRAPSA.

Eisai ena fasistomoutro. Kanonika.

Ti?

Den eisai?

Esy den mou eipes na fygw apo ti xwra "sou" giati den eimai xristianos?

An den exeis ti na apantiseis, mporeis na anafertheis sto epipedo mou.

[katwrimos]

o necropethamenos pinaei

[necropethamenos]

o necropethamenos pinaei

diladi?

[katwrimos]

diladi thelei na faei

[Dunadan Ranger]

tespa...terma h syzhthsh ka8ws o ka8enas exei th gnwmh tou kai na peisw h na peistw gia kati mesw net einai (toulaxiston gia mena) adynato kai panw ap ola hli8io...

antithetws tha protimousa na synexiseis, oxi oti eisai anagkasmenos fysika.

8a stamathsw basika giati oso mporeis esy na katalabeis ayta pou lew...sto metro tou dynatou( logw graptou logou)...allo toso mporoun oi alloi na katalaboun ayta pou 8eloun kai na ta isopedwsoun ola grafontas o ka8enas oti tou pernaei ap to myalo prospa8wntas na pei "kati".twra an ayto to kati exei na kanei me ayta pou 8elw na ekfrasw egw ... h den exei den paizei kai poly rolo.kai akribws epeidh den paizei kai poly rolo gi ayto 8ewrw malakia na milaei kaneis sobara se forums san kai touto pou kyrio skopo exei thn plaka to humor(ka8e eidous) kai genikotera ayto pou leme sthn argko to xabale(blepe post fixxxer pou kompsa xarakthrizei ta post mou kai tis 7 selides opws leei poly baria gia ta ka8e forum).tygxanei ana takta xronika diasthmata na bgainoun kapoia posts pou mporoun na e3eligx8oun se epoikodomhtikous dialogous ka8ws opws eides esy blepeis thn apopsh mou kai egw th dikh sou.kapoioi alloi prospa8oun na mou poun poso malakas eimai epeidh den paw na trabh3w malakia dhmosia kai epeidh eimai flwros pou trabaw sto mpanio kai den exw tolmh na to kanw ayto.tespa an kai goustara na to diakomodhsw 8a epixeirhsw na to paw ligo sobara.

dragonlord :

Αλλα πασαν μεν θαλασσαν και γην εσβατον τη ημετερα τολμη καταναγκασαντες γενεσθαι,πανταχου δε μνημεια κακων τε καγαθων αιδια ξυγκατοικησαντες.

το οποιο σημαινει

emeis thn ka8e 8allasa kai steria thn anagkasame na anoi3ei dromo sthn tolmh mas kai se ka8e topo sthsame mazi mnhmeia a8anata kai gia ta kaka kai gia ta kala pou mas etyxan.
(8oukididhs II 34-46,perikleous epitafios 41,4)

profanws gia sena tolmh einai na bgw kai na paizw to pouli mou dhmosia gia na kanw pra3h tous logous mou..it's ok ...mexri ekei ftaneis na skefteis ...ayta les...alloi eixan alla paradeigmata na poun kai apo ayta xarakthrizontai...esy ayto brhkes na peis kai ayto se xarakthrizei ...oti mporei o ka8enas leei.(kai siga mhn katalabes to ba8ytero nohma tou apospasmatos A?)

ps: fixxxer gia allous ta forum to irc kai genikotera to chat online einai tropos zwhs ...gia allous einai mia asxolia oso prospa8oun na kanoun th douleia tous ,gia allous einai asxolia oso prospa8oun na enhmerw8oun panw se polla pragmata tis douleias tous.yparxei kai mia allh kathgoria pou apla 8elei na ta kanei ola mouni giati den exei ti na kanei kai kapou prepei na 3espasei.ola einai 8emita ektos apo to prwto kai isws to teleytaio.tote yparxei pragmatiko problhma.an nomizeis oti anhkw se mia ap aytes tis 2 "kammenes" kathgories dikaiwma sou.siga mhn katsw na sou alla3w kai apopsh.

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