elliniki koultoura...

[enitharmon]

telika ti einai kathara elliniko? yparxei tipota?

evlepa simera mia ekpompi gia tin Polwnia. teleutaia yparxei ekei mia tasi epistrofis pros ta proionta tis epoxis tou kommounismou. ilektrikes syskeues, pinakes, rouxa klp... (mia tetoia tasi yparxei teleutaia kai sti Germania).
Stin Kwn/poli pou exw paei merikes fores vlepw mia synyparksi tou paliou me to neo: polyteli magazia rouxwn kai loipa "dytika", alla apo tin alli o nargiles zei mia anaviwsi, kyriws stous neous, synepws tha epizisei, ta paradosiaka fagita den exoun ektopistei oute sto elaxisto apo ta fastfoudadika, to idio kai o tropos zwis.

auto pou thelw na pw, einai pws polles xwres exoun kati "diko" tous, kati sto opoio mporoun na anatreksoun.... i Ellada ti exei? polla apo ta pragmata pou thewroume Ellinika (fagita, pota klp) einai tourkikis i aravikis proeleusis... ta arxaia den ta metraw, einai poly palia gia na ta thewrw meros tis simerinis mas koultouras...

telika yparxei kati pou einai mono elliniko, pou anaptixthike xwris ekswteriki epirroi?

[president]

Fysika kai yparxei.O Gousgounis ti nomizeis oti einai?

[The_Emperor]

Epikindyna topics me ethnokentrikes antilhpseis peri paradoseos
pote den bgazeis akrh me ayta kai idiws se ena forum...
to mono pou tha pw einai oti elaxista pragmata einai aythyparkta ston politismo. Akomh kai oi arxaioi toys opoious anafereis eixan spoudasei kala ton politismo ton anatolikon laon kai ton Aigyption kai yiothethsan para polla apo tis ergasies toys.
akomh kai ta dhmotika tragoudia mas den einai mono ellhniko dhmioyrghma. To gefyri ths Artas h to tragoudi toy nekrou aderfou gia na anafertho sta shmantikotera kai pio gnosta exoun to analogo toys se kathe mia xwra ths Balkanikhs me ta dika toys fysika toponymia kai prosarmosmena sth dikh toys "koyltoyra".
Fysika kathe laos exei to diko toy "xrwma" kai kapoies dikes toy paradoseis kai einai omorfh ayth h diaforetikothta alla pisteyo oti ginetai syxna to meso gia ethnikistikes kai ksenofobikes taseis me epikindynes proektaseis.

[Retali-ator]

auto pou thelw na pw, einai pws polles xwres exoun kati "diko" tous, kati sto opoio mporoun na anatreksoun....

dld symfona me ta legomena sou i polonia exei ton koummounismo na anatrexei? Kai poios sou eipe oti einai dikos tis? Kai oti den tis eixe epivlithei?

[Deggial]

telika ti einai kathara elliniko? yparxei tipota?

auto pou thelw na pw, einai pws polles xwres exoun kati "diko" tous, kati sto opoio mporoun na anatreksoun.... i Ellada ti exei? polla apo ta pragmata pou thewroume Ellinika (fagita, pota klp) einai tourkikis i aravikis proeleusis...

Λογικό είναι αυτό, έχουμε 400+ χρόνια κοινής ιστορίας, είτε το θέλουμε είτε όχι.

Με τους περιορισμούς που βάζεις, δεδομένου πως η Ελλάδα ως κράτος υπάρχει μόνο 2 αιώνες, φυσικό είναι δύσκολα να βρίσκεις κάτι γνησίως ελληνικό.

Από την άλλη, δε καταλαβαίνω και την ανάγκη να βρούμε κάτι "γνησίως" ελληνικό.

[Amnesiac.]

auto pou thelw na pw, einai pws polles xwres exoun kati "diko" tous, kati sto opoio mporoun na anatreksoun....

dld symfona me ta legomena sou i polonia exei ton koummounismo na anatrexei? Kai poios sou eipe oti einai dikos tis? Kai oti den tis eixe epivlithei?

dld symfwna me ta legomena sou thes na pistepsoume oti den eisai kathysterimenos?

eleos pia.

[FIXXXER]

Exoume ti gnisia elliniki magkia kai to filotimo.

[katwrimos]

exoume ton panathinaiko.

kai btw Agelos re munia nai re gamw re \m/

[cloud]

Nomizw san xwra exoume polla perissotera xarakthristika apo alles tis Eyrwphs. Poses xwres exoun dika tous mousika organa (lyra, mpouzouki ktl.) kai ftiaxnoun me ayta mousikh anephrreasth apo alles? Gia na mhn poume gia logotexnia genikotera...Syn thn thriskeia pou mas xarakthrizei san ethnos, alla panw apo ola ton tropo zwhs, pou einai kathara ellhnikos (isws me kapoies dytikes paremvoles xex)


edit: ksexasa thn ell. kouzina, pou symfwna me tous diaitologous einai anamesa stis pio ygieines (kai geystikes )

[katwrimos]

Nomizw san xwra exoume polla perissotera xarakthristika apo alles tis Eyrwphs. Poses xwres exoun dika tous mousika organa (lyra, mpouzouki ktl.) kai ftiaxnoun me ayta mousikh anephrreasth apo alles? Gia na mhn poume gia logotexnia genikotera...Syn thn thriskeia pou mas xarakthrizei san ethnos, alla panw apo ola ton tropo zwhs, pou einai kathara ellhnikos (isws me kapoies dytikes paremvoles xex)


edit: ksexasa thn ell. kouzina, pou symfwna me tous diaitologous einai anamesa stis pio ygieines (kai geystikes )

Gia tin kuzina na apantisei o necropethamenos. Se ola ta alla exeis pano kato adiko... I thriskeia xaraktirizei kirios tus rosus (otan peis orthodoksos se kapion, aftos skeftetai rosia, oxi elada), i musiki einai epireasmeni apo apeira pragmata kai i logotexnia (kai oi texnes genikotera) itan kai einai epireasmeni apo ta antistixa reumata tu eksoteriku, me kapies eksereseis vevaia.

[cloud]

Diafwnw, Tha epektathw kapoia allh stigmh.

[dyingfreedom]

Souvlaki, Tzatziki, Acropolis,Musaka,Syrtaki,Malakas

[enitharmon]

dld symfona me ta legomena sou i polonia exei ton koummounismo na anatrexei? Kai poios sou eipe oti einai dikos tis? Kai oti den tis eixe epivlithei?

..........

ennousa, pws i Polwnia (tin opoia pira ws entelws tyxaio paradeigma) exei kati to diaforetiko sto opoio mporei na anatrexei. H plaka einai pws enas 20aris kanei ekpompi pou anapolei ton kommounismo kai ta proionta tou kai gyrnaei se spitia psaxnontas palia pragmata. Oi idioktites tou ta dinoun euxaristws, giati ta thewroun skoupidia, enw autos keimilia!!!!

sto thema mas twra, ontws i Ellada exei epirreastei poly apo valkanoanatolikes koultoures... mipws gi'auto, epeidi den ti thewroume kath'auti diko mas proion afomoiwnoime toso eukola ti dytiki?

[The_Emperor]

Nomizw san xwra exoume polla perissotera xarakthristika apo alles tis Eyrwphs. Poses xwres exoun dika tous mousika organa (lyra, mpouzouki ktl.) kai ftiaxnoun me ayta mousikh anephrreasth apo alles? Gia na mhn poume gia logotexnia genikotera...Syn thn thriskeia pou mas xarakthrizei san ethnos, alla panw apo ola ton tropo zwhs, pou einai kathara ellhnikos (isws me kapoies dytikes paremvoles xex)


edit: ksexasa thn ell. kouzina, pou symfwna me tous diaitologous einai anamesa stis pio ygieines (kai geystikes )

Gia tin kuzina na apantisei o necropethamenos. Se ola ta alla exeis pano kato adiko... I thriskeia xaraktirizei kirios tus rosus (otan peis orthodoksos se kapion, aftos skeftetai rosia, oxi elada), i musiki einai epireasmeni apo apeira pragmata kai i logotexnia (kai oi texnes genikotera) itan kai einai epireasmeni apo ta antistixa reumata tu eksoteriku, me kapies eksereseis vevaia.

profanws ki exei adiko afou to megalytero orthodokso kratos einai ontws h Rossia, epishs mousika organa dika toys exoun polloi laoi oxi mono ths Eyrwphs alla kai sthn Asia, kai sthn Afrikh kai eima sigouros oti pantou tha yparxoun, gia logotexnia den to syzhto katholoy...Exoume na epideiksoume men megalous dhmioyrgous alla me safeis epirroes apo thn eyrwpaikh logotexnia...Arkei na dei kaneis tis epirroes ton megalon poihtwn kai pezografwn mas.

Genika h texnh kai o politismos den einai kati ksekomeno kai me stena topika kai xronika plaisia. Prepei na to antilhfthoume oloi san ena reyma pou ephreazei olous toys laous pou epikoinonoun me kathe tropo. Pleon me ta mesa metaforas kai epikoinonias oles oi nees taseis fthanoun pantou ki exei o kathenas mas th dynatothta na akousei kai na mathei kai na diabasei tis dhmioyrgies anthropwn pou briskontai sthn allh akrh ths ghs. Oi isxyres prosopikothtes kyriarxoun kai epidroun se anthropous kai apopseis se kathe gwnia ths ghs. Etsi px kapoios mporei na diabazei shmera logotexnes apo th boreio amerikh, thn latinikh amerikh, th asia, thn eyrwph apo pantoy kai na yiothetei stoixeia ta opoia thaymazei. O ikanos dhmioyrgos yiothetei kai afomoionei tis epirroes aytes sto diko toy styl kai to ekselisei dinontas toy mia nea dynamikh. Telika to apotelesma einai mia texnh pou exei egkolposei mesa ths dynamika ki eteroklhta stoixeia dosmena omws se ena omoiogenes synolo me th sfragida toy dhmioyrgou kai to mhnyma pou thelei na perasei. Ayto akribws ekane o Solwmos, o Palamas, o Kazantzakhs, o Seferhs, o Ritsos ki oloi oi megaloi logotexnes mas oi opoioi exoun apodexthei anoixta ki onomastika tis epirroes toys.
Genika pisteyo oti sthn texnh den yparxei parthenogenesh. O dhmioyrgos prepei na exei anoixta ta matia kai tis aisthiseis toy wste na dexetai ola ta mhnymata kai tis ekselikseis poy lambanoyn xwra gyrw toy kai na apotelei diarkws ki o idios meros ths epoxhs toy, alliws h teleytaia ton kseperna

Sorry pou egrapsa polla kai sorry an to "yfos" einai "kathigitistiko"...To thema exei tromero endiaferon gia mena kai to theoro poly "lepto" dioti mporei na odhghsei se apopseis pou opws kai parapanw eipa einai poly epikindynes. Ws laos exoume polla na epideiksoume alla ki ayta akomh den einai apokleistiko "kthma" mas...Prepei oloi na to katalaboun ayto. Eimaste meros mias pagkosmias koinothtas poy synexws brisketai se mia epikoinwnia kai oi alhlepidraseis kyriarxoun. Pws nomizete oti leitoyrgei ayto pou oloi kraygazoun ws pagkosmiopoihsh??

[no-celebration]

swsth erwthsh, alla se pollous den noiazei to thema. Gia mena kai gia allous ta pragmata prepei na MOVE ON kai o legomenos "dytikos" tropos skepsis kai aisthitikhs einai kai o kalyteros, makria apo grafika folklor.